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MSE News: Complaints about 'payday loan middlemen' soar

Complaints about 'Payday loan middlemen' sites that take money from people's accounts have doubled in the last year...
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Complaints about 'payday loan middlemen' soar

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  • fermi
    fermi Posts: 40,542 Forumite
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    http://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/news/updates/payday-loan-middlemen-2014.html
    ombudsman warns consumers about payday loan middlemen

    19 August 2014

    The ombudsman today spoke out about websites that take hundreds of pounds from unwitting consumers on the promise of finding cheap credit, only for the loans never to materialise.

    Since the start of the year thousands of people, many struggling financially, have contacted the ombudsman complaining that payday loan middlemen had drained money from their accounts, without providing them with the loan they were looking for.

    In some of the worst cases the ombudsman has seen, consumers’ bank accounts were debited multiple times without warning – as their banking details were passed onto other credit broking websites.

    The ombudsman said that so far this year (2014):
    • more than 10,000 people have contacted the ombudsman to complain about credit broking websites, more than double the number in the whole of 2013;
    • in the majority of cases, the business running the websites refunded the cash they had taken as soon as the ombudsman got involved; and
    • in two-thirds of complaints it investigated, the ombudsman agreed that the consumer had been treated unfairly, while in the remainder of cases the fees had already been refunded.
    The ombudsman also highlighted that many people who had used these websites thought they were applying for a loan directly and didn’t realise that they were paying a middleman.

    These figures were released by the ombudsman today as it issued a detailed report on the handling of consumer complaints by payday lenders, highlighting the need for the sector to improve its business practices.

    senior ombudsman Juliana Francis said:
    It’s disappointing that people who are already struggling to make ends meet are being misled into thinking that these websites will get them a loan.

    In too many of the cases we sort out, no loan is provided and people’s bank accounts have been charged a high fee, often multiple times.

    If money has been taken from your account unfairly or without warning, the good news is the ombudsman is here to help. Give us a call and we can put things right quickly.
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  • fermi
    fermi Posts: 40,542 Forumite
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    From the report.
    credit broking

    The Competition and Markets Authority’s market investigation recently found that a “substantial proportion” of online payday lending customers use intermediaries – such as credit brokers – to apply for a loan, yet many consumers are unaware of the nature of the service with which they are being provided.81

    Many consumers assume that the broker is ‘shopping around’ on their behalf to find the best deal, when in fact the broker or lead generator auctions the customer’s application to a panel of lenders – selling to the business that is willing to pay the most.

    The ombudsman service has seen a significant increase in the volume of calls from consumers about problems they have experienced with credit broking services.

    In the 2013/14 financial year we received 5,873 enquiries from consumers about credit broking. Just over three months into the new financial year 82 we had already received 5,932 enquiries, exceeding the total for the whole of the previous year.

    Figure 14 relates to all types of credit broking enquiries handled by the ombudsman service, but a high proportion relate to broking services connected to payday loans.

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    A common feature of the calls we receive is for consumers to have paid a significant up- front fee to a broker, for example £70, as they think this is the only way to get a loan they need.

    Sometimes the broker arranges a payday loan – usually through a lender who would have lent the money to the consumer without any upfront fee had the consumer contacted them directly.

    But often the consumer does not end up with any loan at all, and in either scenario they have lost the £70.

    In many of the enquiries we have handled, the consumer was not even told about the fee, and merely gave their bank details to the broker who requested them “for verification”, and only later found out money was taken.

    In the most worrying examples, the broker which took the initial money from the consumer appears to be selling on the consumers’ data to other brokers, which then also levy their own fees.

    Consumers have also expressed anger at harassment by phone and text message by various brokers and lenders as a result of their initial contact with a broker.

    Despite the high volume of credit broking enquiries, very few (approximately 6%) convert into complaints.

    Part of the reason for the low complaint conversion rate is that the majority of businesses return or refund the fee charged when contacted on the consumer’s behalf by the ombudsman service.

    The uphold rate for the credit broking complaints the ombudsman service does resolve is high, at 71%.

    Again, in the complaints that are not upheld, this is often because the business has already refunded the fee the
    consumer has paid, or has offered to refund the fee.

    Due to the sheer volume of consumer enquiries we are receiving, and the nature of some of the business practice we are seeing, this is an issue we are monitoring closely.

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  • fermi
    fermi Posts: 40,542 Forumite
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    And the BBC.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28835558
    Payday loan middlemen complaints 'more than double'

    Consumers have lost up to £700 as a result of using credit brokers

    Complaints about payday loan middlemen - so-called credit broking websites - have more than doubled in the last year, according to new figures.

    The Financial Ombudsman Service (FOS) said it had been contacted by more than 10,000 people since January this year.

    In the worst cases, consumers found hundreds of pounds 'drained' from their bank accounts by the websites.

    The credit brokers have previously insisted that most customers are happy with their services.

    Nevertheless, one debt charity is now calling for the up-front fees they charge to be banned.

    £700 bill

    The credit broking sites are designed to help people find the best value loan for their needs.

    “Quote
    In too many of the cases we sort out, no loan is provided and people's bank accounts have been charged a high fee, often multiple times.”
    Juliana Francis Senior Ombudsman


    But they can also charge hefty fees.

    However, according to the FOS, many consumers are unaware that they are using a broker, rather than a loan company itself.

    As a result, they readily enter their bank account details.

    But instead of receiving a payday loan, they are charged broking, or membership fees, of up to £100.

    Banking details are often passed on to other websites, meaning that some people have been charged multiple times.

    One woman was charged £70 by ten different sites, losing £700 in the process.

    Ban

    The FOS said that many of those affected are already struggling financially. And many never actually receive the loan they need.

    "In too many of the cases we sort out, no loan is provided and people's bank accounts have been charged a high fee, often multiple times," said Juliana Francis, the senior Ombudsman.

    The debt charity StepChange wants to see the practice of charging membership fees in advance made illegal.

    "This is a well-known problem, but it continues to get worse," said Peter Tutton, the head of policy at StepChange.


    "The time has come for government and the regulator to ban credit brokers from charging up-front fees," he added.

    The industry regulator, the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA), said it was aware of the Ombudsman's report, but would not comment on any possible plans to investigate the sector.

    Under rules published by the previous regulator, the Office of Fair Trading (OFT), credit brokers have to make their charges clear to consumers.

    Refunds

    Among the most popular credit broking sites are companies like Smart Loans, Secure my Money, and Loans Zoo.

    None could be reached by the BBC.

    Callers to two phone numbers previously provided by one company now hear only classical music.

    However Paul Williams, a director of Click4profit, which owns Smart Loans, has previously said that most customers are satisfied with its service.

    He also offered to issue refunds to anyone who is unhappy.

    The Smart Loans website makes it clear that it "compares all types of consumer finance options", although readers to its front page are not warned about fees.

    The FOS said that most of the websites refunded the cash as soon as they learnt that the Ombudsman was involved.
    Banking details are often passed on to other websites, meaning that some people have been charged multiple times.

    One woman was charged £70 by ten different sites, losing £700 in the process.

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  • Caroline Wayman,!chief executive & chief ombudsman, said that once you get ombudsment involved, they push the loan broker to pay back the initial deposit. well thats not actually true. however after getting ombudsment involved, the loan broker told me that I'm not entitled of the initial fee paid because I got ombudsment involved. let's get back to ombudsment maybe after today something changed
  • kmidas
    kmidas Posts: 3 Newbie
    edited 20 August 2014 at 12:30AM
    I have some damning evidence that proves that contrary to everybodies "Read the T's and C's" there is at least a dozen of these brokers connected to one business, Click4Profit. Click4profit run an affiliate site which allows affiliates to put their form onto anything. The guys name is Paul Williams.

    Therefore people do not see the T's and C's before they sign up. an affiliate can make their site look however they want! They don't mention the fee, and you're not hit by it until later.

    The same company that was mentioned in the article, if you want to help me take him down - try to get BBC News involved.
  • jaydeeuk1
    jaydeeuk1 Posts: 7,714 Forumite
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    In other news, complaints about 'customers who don't read terms and conditions' soar


    Above looks like spam.
  • Apples2
    Apples2 Posts: 6,442 Forumite
    10k complaints since Jan... of course that is only the people who did it right by requesting a refund, not receiving it and subsequently getting the FOS involved.

    Consider how many posts on here from poeple simply not prepared/can be bothered with such hassle. These are never reported to the FOS.

    I reckon something in the region of 5% of posts on here are actually followed up in writing and raising a complaint with the FOS.

    The complaints figure should be significantly higher. If more did, maybe they would be quicker to act.
  • Not surprised in the slightest to see this article, I don't remember reading much about this subject in the forums last year but this year it's like every other thread in the money section is from people complaining about this.
  • I've removed the twitter link... it was only some tweets to BBC News. The point still stands that when people sign up through these affiliate scams, there are no T's and C's to be read. No mention of a fee, until you get to the actual page that charges you; By which time it's far too late.

    In other news, have you read the entire 23 page T's and C's for the Apple product you're using? T's and C's aren't supposed to be legally binding.
    jaydeeuk1 wrote: »
    In other news, complaints about 'customers who don't read terms and conditions' soar


    Above looks like spam.
  • jaydeeuk1
    jaydeeuk1 Posts: 7,714 Forumite
    Debt-free and Proud!
    kmidas wrote: »
    I've removed the twitter link... it was only some tweets to BBC News. The point still stands that when people sign up through these affiliate scams, there are no T's and C's to be read. No mention of a fee, until you get to the actual page that charges you; By which time it's far too late.

    In other news, have you read the entire 23 page T's and C's for the Apple product you're using? T's and C's aren't supposed to be legally binding.

    I do a lot of betting with some right dodgy companies, I always read terms and conditions where it involves my money. Saved myself £1000's by reading and abiding by them.

    Please do show me a live example where you get to the payment stage and can't view any terms and conditions.
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