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MSE News: Delayed air passengers need more rights, EU says

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"Delayed passengers could soon have the right to pull the plug on their journey after five hours waiting on the tarmac..."
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  • mystic_trev
    mystic_trev Posts: 5,434 Forumite
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    It's fine for the EU to decide these new 'rules' but they come at a price, particularly for the Low cost carriers, hence increase in fares. There's no such thing as a free lunch...well, not with Airlines!
  • Alan_Bowen
    Alan_Bowen Posts: 4,913 Forumite
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    The proposals are a mixed bag, some of the changes undermine the European Court ruling last October and make it more difficult to claim compensation for delays. For example, following the court case, compensation kicks in after a delay of 3 hours, now the delay must be at least 5 for short haul flights and up to 12 hours for long haul flights, the airlines have clearly been successful in their lobbying. Equally airlines had to look after customers for as long as it took to get them home during the volcanic ash crisis in 2010, the new proposals only require acoomodation for a maximum of three nights.

    The good proposals include a requirement that airlines deal with claims quickly and there can be no charge for mispelling a name when making a reservation, a source of substantial income for some airlines whose customers seem unable to spell their own or their family's names. However these proposals will not be introduced until 2014 and may still be subject to change.
  • jpsartre
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    Alan_Bowen wrote: »
    For example, following the court case, compensation kicks in after a delay of 3 hours, now the delay must be at least 5 for short haul flights and up to 12 hours for long haul flights

    They do provide some justification for this change though:

    "The aim is to give the air carriers a reasonable time to solve the problem and encourage them to operate the flight, not just cancel it. A threshold of three hours is in most cases too short for spare parts or replacement aircraft to be flown in, especially for technical failures at an airport away from a carrier's bases. The current provisions tend to incentivise cancellations to the detriment of passengers (because the problem cannot be remedied within a very short deadline)."
  • Alan_Bowen
    Alan_Bowen Posts: 4,913 Forumite
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    I am not sure I disagree with the reasoning, it is just amazing how quickly the airlines have been able to push, and seemingly succeed, with their demands for change. On the other hand, consumers buying 'non-package' holidays have been pushing since 2009 for a change to the Package Travel Directive to give similar protection as package consumers get and four years down the line, they are still waiting!
  • NFH
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    It's fine for the EU to decide these new 'rules' but they come at a price, particularly for the Low cost carriers, hence increase in fares.
    Without compensation, the minority of passengers who suffer delays would be subsidising the majority who don't suffer delays. Compensation remedies this imbalance by causing the minority who suffer delays to pay a lot less and the majority who don't suffer delays to pay slightly more. It's fair that passengers pay a net amount according to the standard of service they receive.
  • mystic_trev
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    NFH wrote: »
    Without compensation, the minority of passengers who suffer delays would be subsidising the majority who don't suffer delays. Compensation remedies this imbalance by causing the minority who suffer delays to pay a lot less and the majority who don't suffer delays to pay slightly more. It's fair that passengers pay a net amount according to the standard of service they receive.

    That's a fair comment, and nicely explained. My main gripe is, I don't get the free flights I used to, so it's not so much moneysaving any longer. Many of us here were able to exploit the systems, to Travel for free, or for pennies!
  • jpsartre
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    That's a fair comment, and nicely explained. My main gripe is, I don't get the free flights I used to, so it's not so much moneysaving any longer. Many of us here were able to exploit the systems, to Travel for free, or for pennies!

    Ryanair's EU261 levy is £2.50 per one-way flight. It's hardly a fortune.
  • propertyman
    propertyman Posts: 2,922 Forumite
    If I was stuck in a plane for two hours , on the tarmac, then I would be forcing my way out and would prefer to be arrested and in a cell where it might be infinitely better than a plane with no food water and blocked toilets.

    Like it it or not this is the price of having "cheap" flights, even as little as 10 or 15 years ago, the airlines were profitable and took care of you as that was included in the price.
    Stop! Think. Read the small print. Trust nothing and assume that it is your responsibility. That way it rarely goes wrong.
    Actively hunting down the person who invented the imaginary tenure, "share freehold";
    if you can show me one I will produce my daughter's unicorn
  • Going from 3 hours delay for compensation to either 5 or even 12 is hardly good for the consumer.

    Now airlines will not worry about the cost until 4.5 hours have elapsed.
  • jpsartre
    jpsartre Posts: 4,090 Forumite
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    Now airlines will not worry about the cost until 4.5 hours have elapsed.

    That is exactly the point. The purpose is to encourage fewer cancellations since the new time-frame provides a more realistic chance of any technical problems being fixed. That's not necessarily bad for passengers. I take it most people would rather be delayed for 5 hours than to have their flight cancelled completed (I know I would).
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