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Centium5000
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I'd be interested on your guys' thoughts on the following issue I'm having lately...
I recently took out home contents insurance with Norwich Union via Swinton's website and then found a better deal within the first 7 days of cover. I took up the better deal and called to cancel the original insurance with Swinton, believing I would only pay the premium pro-rata'd over 7 days. Swinton told me that I owe them a £45 cancellation charge which I have refused to pay on the basis that I was within the 14 day cooling off period specified by the NU policy.
Swinton insists that they are entitled to charge this as they are a broker not an insurer, they have it in their terms of business and as they are FSA regulated it must be okay as otherwise they would not be allowed to publish these terms. This sounded like the banks' old arguement that penalty charges must be legal as otherwise they wouldn't put them in the contract and, besides, you agree to them at sign up. Adamant that this couldn't be right, I did some research and it appears they are not covered by normal distance selling regulations but are covered by the "Financial Services (Distance Marketing) Regulations" here: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2004/20042095.htm. This does allow cancellation without incurring additional charges that are disproportionate.
I have complained to the local Swinton branch and Head Office but they insist the charge stands, and have confirmed this in a letter. I'm unsure whether to write to the Chief Exec to complain and then follow up with the Financial Ombudsman Service, or just wait for them to try to take action on what appears to be an unenforceable charge. Any thoughts you have on this are welcome as I think this would be a great topic for Martin to take up if I'm right about the Distance Marketing rules; there must be thousands of us who have been stung by these cancellation charges.
Anyone had similar experiences and if so what would you recommend I do?
I recently took out home contents insurance with Norwich Union via Swinton's website and then found a better deal within the first 7 days of cover. I took up the better deal and called to cancel the original insurance with Swinton, believing I would only pay the premium pro-rata'd over 7 days. Swinton told me that I owe them a £45 cancellation charge which I have refused to pay on the basis that I was within the 14 day cooling off period specified by the NU policy.
Swinton insists that they are entitled to charge this as they are a broker not an insurer, they have it in their terms of business and as they are FSA regulated it must be okay as otherwise they would not be allowed to publish these terms. This sounded like the banks' old arguement that penalty charges must be legal as otherwise they wouldn't put them in the contract and, besides, you agree to them at sign up. Adamant that this couldn't be right, I did some research and it appears they are not covered by normal distance selling regulations but are covered by the "Financial Services (Distance Marketing) Regulations" here: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2004/20042095.htm. This does allow cancellation without incurring additional charges that are disproportionate.
I have complained to the local Swinton branch and Head Office but they insist the charge stands, and have confirmed this in a letter. I'm unsure whether to write to the Chief Exec to complain and then follow up with the Financial Ombudsman Service, or just wait for them to try to take action on what appears to be an unenforceable charge. Any thoughts you have on this are welcome as I think this would be a great topic for Martin to take up if I'm right about the Distance Marketing rules; there must be thousands of us who have been stung by these cancellation charges.
Anyone had similar experiences and if so what would you recommend I do?
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They are entitled to levy such fees. The issue is unrelated to that of bank charges - the legal challenge to bank charges is premised on the argument that they are excessive penalties for breach of contract; cancellation fees are not penalties for breach of contract. In any case one must remember that banks charges have not actually been deemed unlawful at this stage.
The legislation that you quote is correct but to clarify, the relevant section states:13 (7) The charge shall not exceed an amount which is in proportion to the extent of the service provided to the consumer prior to the time at which the cancellation event occurred (including the service of arranging to provide the financial service) in comparison with the full coverage of the contract, and in any event shall not be such that it could be construed as a penalty.So in other words they can charge a pro-rata figure for the time they were 'on risk' plus a fee to cover their costs in arranging the contract initially.
The FSA's Insurance Conduct of Business Sourcebook provides guidance:The amount payable may include:Given that it is not uncommon for an intermediary or insurer to incur costs of at least £40 in setting up a new policy (see Quidco for examples of how much it costs per closed lead, then add to this the costs of actually incepting the policy over the phone or internet) then a charge of this magnitude is defintely enforceable.
(1) any sums that a firm has reasonably incurred in concluding the contract, but should not include any element of profit;
(2) an amount for cover provided (i.e. a proportion of the policy's exposure that relates to the time on risk);
(3) a proportion of the commission paid to an insurance intermediary sufficient to cover its costs; and
(4) a proportion of any fees charged by an insurance intermediary which, when aggregated with any commission to be repaid, would be sufficient to cover its costs.
See the second case study here:
http://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/publications/ombudsman-news/54/insurance.htm
For the Ombudsman's view on a similar matter.0 -
Thanks for your reply Raskazz, it was very informative, particularly the link to the FOS site.
In the particular case outlined in the second case study, the policy had run for 6 months before cancellation whereas in my case it had run for 7 days. As the policy has a standard clause allowing for cancellation within the first 14 days, I would argue that the charges incurred by the broker / insurer are not 'unexpected' nor proportionate to the £150 approx. for 12 months cover; this included the credit agremment at 29% APR and £10 setup fee for incepting via an internet transaction.
I have already paid £14.38 by debit card which I am happy for them to keep on the basis that it cost £10 for setup, the remainder being somewhat proportiante to the 7 days for which they were 'at risk'. The additional £45 does therefore seem to bear resemblance to banking charges, not in that it is for breach of contract, but rather that it can be seen as a penalty rather than a charge for actual cost incurred.
Although bank charges have not been conclusively deemed 'unlawful', they have been ruled to be covered by law reguglating contract fairness and the matter has been refered back to the OFT as a result (http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/oft-bank-charges). Similarly, the FOS says of cancellation charges in the link you provided:The FSA statement specifically refers to terms that charge policyholders a disproportionately large sum if they do not fulfil their obligations under a contract, or if they cancel it. We share the view that giving consumers the right to cancel – and then penalising them financially for exercising that right – is likely to be unenforceable in law, as well as unfair and unreasonable.
Again, thanks for your comment and the supporting references; they've reassured me that this charge is unlikely to be enforceable. I will be interested to see what thoughts and experiences others have on this topic and hopefully it will get bumped enough to get Martin's take on it all.
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Swinton insists that they are entitled to charge this as they are a broker not an insurer
You have a right to cancel any insurance you buy through us and to recover any payment made (except as stated below). You can do this by giving notice to your branch (whose address is shown on the covering letter) within 14 days of your receipt of the policy document.
If you do exercise this right to cancel your insurance, you will be charged by the insurer for the service provided up to the point of cancellation. We will also make a cancellation charge of £45 except as shown in the service charges table overleaf. You will not be entitled to a refund of the service charge or credit card handling charge made by us for arranging your insurance.
The FOS will support them if you take the complaint to them because the FSA rules do state that brokers and advisers can charge for work done even if business does not proceed or gets cancelled as long as you t&c declares this.think this would be a great topic for Martin to take up if I'm right about the Distance Marketing rules; there must be thousands of us who have been stung by these cancellation charges.
You need to note the difference between the product (car insurance) and the service provided (Swinton).I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.0 -
I understand that Swinton may make a charge for services rendered (in broking the home insurance policy) and that chrge was accepted and paid - it corresponds to the £10 for policy setup via the internet, as opposed to £15 for setup by phone. Also, I have paid the pro-rated cost of 7 days cover (the insurance).
According to the regulation above, neither the supplier nor broker (as providers of the main and attached contracts for services) are entitled to charge for costs due to the cancellation event itself, only for services provided prior to cancellation which I have already been charged for. Even though Swinton have stipulated the charge for cancellation in their terms of business, this would not be enforceable according to regulation 16:16. - (1) A term contained in any contract is void if, and to the extent that, it is inconsistent with the application of a provision of these Regulations to a distance contract or the application of regulation 15 to a supply of unsolicited financial services.
(2) Where a provision of these Regulations specifies a duty or liability of the consumer in certain circumstances, a term contained in a contract is inconsistent with that provision if it purports to impose, directly or indirectly, an additional or greater duty or liability on him in those circumstances.
If I am reading this incorrectly, please can you highlight which service in particular I have (i) asked for (or solicited as part of requesting a policy) and (ii) not already been charged for in the setup fee and pro-rated premium for 7 days cover? Thanks for helping me understand this guys - it is complicated but I have a gut instinct that this isn't a fair contract term just because it was there in black and white.0 -
Centium5000 wrote: »I understand that Swinton may make a charge for services rendered (in broking the home insurance policy) and that chrge was accepted and paid - it corresponds to the £10 for policy setup via the internet, as opposed to £15 for setup by phone. Also, I have paid the pro-rated cost of 7 days cover (the insurance).
According to the regulation above, neither the supplier nor broker (as providers of the main and attached contracts for services) are entitled to charge for costs due to the cancellation event itself, only for services provided prior to cancellation which I have already been charged for.
To reiterate, Swinton cannot claim the £45 is for policy setup - I have already paid £10 for this service. I have already paid for 7 days cover on a pro-rated basis. Anything beyond this was not a solicited service, other than the cancellation itself which is excluded from the legitimate charges specified in reg. 13. As per reg. 16 above, any contract term attempting to impose further liability than allowed in 13 will be void as it is inconsistent with the provisions.
Here you are conflating charges with costs which is incorrect. The regulations state that they can charge a cancellation fee in relation to their costs reasonably incurred - which is not limited to the amount of any charges that they made for inception. As far as I understand it, you could only bring this £10 or £15 charge into the equation if somehow they had intimated that this charge would cover all their costs in incepting the policy.0 -
As far as I understand it, you could only bring this £10 or £15 charge into the equation if somehow they had intimated that this charge would cover all their costs in incepting the policy.
Good luck and let us know how you get on.
By the way, put everything in writing (recorded post) from now on, just in case you want to take it furtherBe nice, life is too short to be anything else.0 -
The regulations seem quite clear that charges (other than for the pro-rated premium) should relate to costs incurred and not include profit. It places the onus on Swinton to demonstrate that the £45 corresponds directly to costs incurred and not contain an element of profit. In this way I think it is fair to correlate charges with costs as this is the intention of the regulations.
As much of the policy setup process is automated (especially given that this was a purchase via a website) and profit by any party to the main and attached contract is excluded from valid charges, it is difficult to see where these costs arise.
I will be interested to see how Swinton spent £45 prior to me cancelling the policy when they present this information in court. However, I again draw a parallel with bank charges as the banks have never demonstrated that it costs £20 / £25 to send an automatically generated letter and update their database with the corresponding data. It is equally unlikely that I will see Swinton in court with a handful of invoices totalling £45 when most of the policy setup will have been done via computer processing.
In regard to the £10 fee, it is clearly presented as the charge for setting up the policy over the internet. Moreover, the main policy document from the insurer (Norwich Union) does not stipulate a charge on their part for cancellation. Swinton presents the £45 as the fee for cancellation as a service, not as passing on the cost of services already rendered. It is at the very least misleading although I would suggest that the blanket £45 charge does afford Swinton scope for profit and is therefore inconsistent with the regulations.0 -
Thanks for your support Thunderbird - I'll keep you posted...0
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Centium5000 wrote: »In this way I think it is fair to correlate charges with costs as this is the intention of the regulations.
Well, I just disagree on this point. I suspect that their costs are partially covered by the £10 fee to the policyholder and partially by commission from the insurer (which they will not now receive as the policy was cancelled). I think that to a certain extent your investigations are suffering from what a scientist would call 'confirmation bias' - i.e. that you have decided that the charges are unfair and are only looking for facts or reasoning that supports that view!Centium5000 wrote: »As much of the policy setup process is automated (especially given that this was a purchase via a website) and profit by any party to the main and attached contract is excluded from valid charges, it is difficult to see where these costs arise.
I will be interested to see how Swinton spent £45 prior to me cancelling the policy when they present this information in court. However, I again draw a parallel with bank charges as the banks have never demonstrated that it costs £20 / £25 to send an automatically generated letter and update their database with the corresponding data. It is equally unlikely that I will see Swinton in court with a handful of invoices totalling £45 when most of the policy setup will have been done via computer processing.
Don't fall into the common trap of assuming that because the marginal cost of a single running of a process is small, there are small costs involved.
The relevant costs that can be recovered are fixed costs plus the marginal cost - large costs are involved in building and running the infrastructure that lets you click the 'buy' button online.
Think about the costs of an insurer or intermediary's entire sales operations - staff wages, buildings costs, compliance officers, marketing, IT hardware, software and support, training, underwriting, utility costs and so forth.
The charge that they can recover is basically equal to the total annual cost of these operations divided by the number of policies sold annually.Centium5000 wrote: »In regard to the £10 fee, it is clearly presented as the charge for setting up the policy over the internet. Moreover, the main policy document from the insurer (Norwich Union) does not stipulate a charge on their part for cancellation. Swinton presents the £45 as the fee for cancellation as a service, not as passing on the cost of services already rendered. It is at the very least misleading although I would suggest that the blanket £45 charge does afford Swinton scope for profit and is therefore inconsistent with the regulations.
Again, it may be stated as a charge but it doesn't logically follow that it covers all their costs, unless they state that it does.
IMO the strongest evidence that the charge is lawful is the fact that the Ombudsman receives hundreds, if not thousands, of such cases each year - and has not published any indication that such a charge is excessive.0 -
The relevant costs that can be recovered are fixed costs plus the marginal cost - large costs are involved in building and running the infrastructure that lets you click the 'buy' button online.
Think about the costs of an insurer or intermediary's entire sales operations - staff wages, buildings costs, compliance officers, marketing, IT hardware, software and support, training, underwriting, utility costs and so forth.
The charge that they can recover is basically equal to the total annual cost of these operations divided by the number of policies sold annually.
This may be in keeping with what Swinton are trying to achieve by charging £45 for cancellation but does not seem consistent with the regulations. It is the cost of concluding the contract that I am liable for, not the mean cost across all contracts - the charge then has to be proportionate to this and the service provided up to point of termination i.e. 7 days of a 12 month policy + setup costs for that particular policy, or rather the variable or marginal cost to use the economic term.
If it is reasonable to expect the consumer to pay a proportion of fixed cost in running their business, by analogy, it would be reasonable for an airline to charge for fuel, pilots' & cabin crew salary, airport service charges etc. on a scheduled flight where the only passenger left the plane prior to departure. If this was a charter flight I would agree, but the analogy holds here because in both cases the business costs would have been incurred regardless of whether the policy had been sold / ticket had been purchased or no.
Moreover, the act of cancelling does not deprive the company of the opportunity to use its fixed capital to sell further policies and therefore it is independent of my purchase and not something I am liable for.
Although I am undoubtably biased, this does not preclude that I am arguing my point logically and reasonably with respect to the regulations that govern the matter. It is the marginal cost (the cost of providing the one policy I bought) that I am willing to pay and I think a fair reading of the rules supports this.IMO the strongest evidence that the charge is lawful is the fact that the Ombudsman receives hundreds, if not thousands, of such cases each year - and has not published any indication that such a charge is excessive.
I do intuitively believe the charge is disproportionate to the actual cost and this is my bias; I understand that if I make a complaint to the FOS or Swinton sue for the amount, the onus will be on them to demonstrate costs and this will be the clincher. However, as with bank charges, I suspect that this will be settled out of 'goodwill' rather than exposing the profit making opportunity such charges afford the industry - that is exactly why I am posting here: so it isn't swept under the carpet.
Thanks for your replies - it's certainly making sure I think about what I'm arguing! :T0
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