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Could Kaupthing Edge be the next Rock?

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  • Aegis
    Aegis Posts: 5,695 Forumite
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    jackdoor wrote: »
    Unless there's actually a source for where this guy heard the rumour from, it's not worth worrying about! the entire article seems to work on the assumption that the system really will collapse, which to me seems unlikely. I just doubt that any government would ever allow one of its largest retail banks to simply collapse. I would instead expect a similar situation to NRK, though in future I think it would be preferable to nationalise a lot sooner.

    All in all, with the banks covered by the FSCS and their home schemes, I'm not too worried, and I'm not about to reward the banks that offer much lower interest rates by giving them my business.
    I am a Chartered Financial Planner
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  • Lavendyr
    Lavendyr Posts: 2,610 Forumite
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    Well, if such people feel uncomfortable, there's a range of high-interest instant access savings accounts and fixed deposit accounts on offer at the moment - just spread your money across different institutions if you're at all nervous.
  • neilp
    neilp Posts: 210 Forumite
    A colleague of mine who is a banking expert (and former senior investment banker) suggested that I should not deposit funds with Kaupthing for the reasons set out on here. He also reckons that in a situation where the FSA guarantee became necessary, it could at best take a long time to recover funds, and at worst require court cases. What's more, he pointed out that the fact that Kaupthing is not a UK bank could provide an argument for not paying out on the guarantee.

    I realise this may be scaremongering, and the likelihood of it coming to this remains very small. However, having opened a Kaupthing account, I have decided not to move my savings from ICICI, which I do have confidence in, even if the rate is slightly lower.
  • tawse57
    tawse57 Posts: 551 Forumite
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    Put it all into the Nationwide - IMPO probably the safest UK bank today other than the Rock.

    Of course, do so at your own risk. Personally, I think we are in dangerous waters and the big worry is whether to spread the money around and hope to be covered by the FSA but risk putting savings into risky banks... or putting it all into one or two hopefully more secure banks.
    This is not financial nor legal nor property advice. Consult a paid professional if in doubt.
  • Lavendyr
    Lavendyr Posts: 2,610 Forumite
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    neilp wrote: »
    I have decided not to move my savings from ICICI, which I do have confidence in, even if the rate is slightly lower.
    Moodys rating for ICICI is lower than the rating for Kaupthing (at the mo at least).
  • tawse57 wrote: »
    and the big worry is whether to spread the money around and hope to be covered by the FSA but risk putting savings into risky banks... or putting it all into one or two hopefully more secure banks.

    Quite. Having consolidated the bulk of my money in ICESave over the last 12-24 months I definitely got the jitters when NR got into trobule. So started process of spreading. Opened up with ICICI. No particular worries there. Opened up with Brad & Bing, and went close to the FSA max...great move, B&B then went onto the 'dodgy list'. Also opened with A&L recently, (though not put money in there yet) only to find they are the next to be considered dodgy, and deposited with Anglo Irish (only to find about 1 day later the article that suggested that Irish banks, and Anglo Irish in particular, were on the more suspect list, aftter of course B&B and A&L..... Scary. But I still think better to spread than have all your eggs in one basket - unless its a Lloyds etc.,. but penalty of bad rates.
  • Lavendyr wrote: »
    Moodys rating for ICICI is lower than the rating for Kaupthing (at the mo at least).

    Ironic really isn't it. We're now all taking a keen interest in Moody's and other agency ratings on banks and getting worried when they downgrade. Now, let me think, where did all this start?? Umm, CDOs which bundled up sub-prime with higher class assets and which the rating agency's then put AAA ratings on...only for them to turn to junk and cripple the ww banking system.
  • neilp wrote: »
    A colleague of mine who is a banking expert (and former senior investment banker) suggested that I should not deposit funds with Kaupthing for the reasons set out on here. He also reckons that in a situation where the FSA guarantee became necessary, it could at best take a long time to recover funds, and at worst require court cases. What's more, he pointed out that the fact that Kaupthing is not a UK bank could provide an argument for not paying out on the guarantee.

    I realise this may be scaremongering, and the likelihood of it coming to this remains very small. However, having opened a Kaupthing account, I have decided not to move my savings from ICICI, which I do have confidence in, even if the rate is slightly lower.

    But ICICI isn't a UK bank either - it's Indian!
  • neilp
    neilp Posts: 210 Forumite
    ICICI is, indeed, Indian. My issue is not with foreign banks, it is with Icelandic banks, and most of the concern about the Icelandic banking sector relates specifically to Kaupthing.
  • tradetime
    tradetime Posts: 3,200 Forumite
    Well call me cynical, but I believe a fair amount of the current news warnings that come out recently have more to do with keeping money in the homegrown banking system rather than it going to overseas banks.
    I readily acknowledge that there is often no smoke without fire, but it would be my contention in the current financial climate that there are very few banks that are "safe"
    The media loves to feed on this sort of fear, it's their bread and butter sadly. I have little doubt that there will be casualties in the banking sector worldwide over the coming months and people will do themselves little favour fretting over who the axe will fall on, because there is inadequate transparencey in the banking system to make any reliable informed decision. Imho people are best to spred their money amngst a handful of banks and let it go at that, whatever probs the banks have gotten themselves into, the cards have been dealt by now and only time will tell.
    Hope for the best.....Plan for the worst!

    "Never in the history of the world has there been a situation so bad that the government can't make it worse." Unknown
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