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Big Victory in Hull Court :)

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I've just put out this press release about todays hearings in Hull. Thought you would like to see what's happened.

QUICK UPDATE NOTE. Massive victory for bank charge campaigners
Banks will have to reveal internal costs in court

Summary of the day's events
(see full news alert sent this morning, below, for background briefing)

Most cases settled - a victory for reclaimers

There were 44 cases to be heard, yet 37 were settled in full or nearly in full by the banks, who together paid out in excess of £50,000 to reclaimers. A remarkable victory, considering the judge was considering throwing these out of court. Most importantly, these included Lloyds TSB, the bank that had a decision in its favour in the now infamous Berwick case in Birmingham.

Strike out order abandoned for the remaining seven

Of the seven cases that were heard in the Hull court by Judge Ian Beresford, four were with the Yorkshire/Clydesdale bank which had lawyers in court to defend, and three were with Alliance & Leicester (which did not turn up). All seven claimants are being represented by the QC appointed by the joint MoneySavingExpert.com and Consumer Action Group fighting fund.

While the lawyers for the Yorkshire argued the 'strike out' order should stand, the judge agreed not to strike the cases out (in other words he permitted the case to be heard). He also agreed to accept new 'particulars of claims', drafted by the legal team, adding to the claimant’s professionalism. The banks have 28 days from the 11 July to put in a written defence.

The judge has ordered full disclosure from the banks

Most importantly, the Judge ordered the banks to make a full disclosure on charges by the 28 September. This means they need to reveal how they arrive at their penalty charges costs, their internal cost structures and all analysis done on costs. This is a major victory for the bank charges campaigners.

Martin Lewis, creator of MoneySavingExpert.com says, "While we've seen disclosure orders before, this time the Yorkshire bank turned up in court and has stated it wants to defend. We're chomping at the bit to read the internal details of why its penalty charges are so huge. It now has a simple choice: either break rank with other banks and be the first to truly reveal its costs, or face an embarrassing climb down and settle. Either way, it’s great news for bank charges reclaiming."

Marc Gander, co-founder of the Consumer Action group says, "It was a very exciting day to sit in court, watching argument from both sides about bank charges. We're delighted it appears the Yorkshire bank has decided finally to stand firm and allow a test case to go to court. It appears we're getting nearer to a real court decision being made and I wholeheartedly believe that when that happens millions of people across the country will benefit, because everyone should be able to reclaim charges."

This morning's full background briefing below


Free Web resources for the public:

Bank charges reclaiming guide, letters and video: www.moneysavingexpert.com/bankcharges
Detailed legal explanation, case letters and case preparation: www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk
Govan Law Centre in Scotland: www.bankcharges.info







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Landmark Hull bank charges court case today likely to bring reclaimers victory

Bank charges fighting fund in action for the first time


Bank charges reclaiming campaigners are eagerly awaiting the results of a landmark hearing scheduled in Hull County Court today.

District Judge Ian Besford had written to claimants saying he was considering “striking out” 44 claims as they disclosed “no reasonable prospect of success” in light of the recent Berwick v Lloyds TSB decision (where a Birmingham court was the first not to award a reclaim). This means these people’s cases wouldn’t even be heard.

This direct challenge to the legitimacy of the entire bank charges campaign has been met head on by the two leading free reclaiming websites:
  • Fighting fund activated for the first time and top QC appointed. The £100,000 bank charges joint campaign fighting fund is in action for the first time, paid for by the UK’s biggest money website MoneySavingExpert.com and bank charge reclaiming specialist site Consumer Action Group via the Glasgow based Govan Law Centre. Raymond Cox QC has been appointed to head the legal challenge.
  • Banks settling cases to avoid a hearing – a victory already. As at 10am on 4 July, of the 44 cases being heard, the bank charge campaigners have managed to contact and help 34 and provide them with the QC's legal help. This has left the banks running scared: 35 of the 44 cases have already agreed full or nearly full settlements valued at over £50,000. This includes settlements from Lloyds TSB, Barclays, HSBC, and Alliance & Leicester – already a major victory.
  • Possibility of UK test case. We welcome the fact both Yorkshire and Clydesdale banks have indicated they may defend four cases. Our legal team is supporting the four claimants and has been told by solicitors for the Yorkshire and Clydesdale Banks that they will be represented in court to oppose all bank charge claims against them. This would be the first time both banks and campaigners have sent top lawyers to argue in court. Yet of course a test case relies on the willingness of individuals, and campaigners will always put complainants' financial welfare first.
  • A hearing on this case should help diminish the legal sentiment behind Berwick. Provided the banks do not settle all the cases, the campaigners' legal team hopes the judge will rule the cases can proceed and will refuse to apply Berwick. While Berwick did not look at the actual bank's terms, detailed work on providing and analysing those has now been done and will be presented. Plus it is hoped the judge will force the banks to disclose the internal analysis they've done to justify their charges and the costs. If the banks comply it will be the first time they have disclosed these matters.
Comments and Quotes
Martin Lewis, creator of MoneySavingExpert.com, which has had over 3.8 million free reclaiming template letters downloaded in just six months, says:
"This is a watershed case that should help close the judicial lottery for reclaimers and encourage more people to take on the banks. While the vast majority of people get paid out simply by sending off our free template letters, for the tiny minority that get to court the Berwick case breached the 100% success record. The overwhelming proportion of judges still throw out the banks' cases, but one or two maverick judges do take an opposite opinion. We decided to send a message to the banks that we won't back down, and put weight and resources behind the people of Hull to ensure consistency and fairness nationwide.”
Marc Gander co-founder of the Consumer Action Group, which has given free assistance to help people reclaim nearly £15 million, says:
"This is an important case, not just in the law that will be derived, but also in how we will advise people to reclaim in future. By working with one of the leading banking QCs in order to prepare for the case, we have gained a mass of new material that we can make accessible to everyone who's reclaiming. This in itself should make future court successes more likely.”
Mike Dailly, Principal Solicitor of the charity the Govan Law Centre commented:
"If the Hull approach was left unchallenged we would have seen the banks and possibly other courts across the UK following suit. It could have marked the beginning of the end for the bank charges revolution. So it was vitally important to prevent this mass strike out and we have done so."
"This fight back has been a remarkable cross border effort, top QC Raymond Cox has been supported by the Govan Law Centre and local solicitor Baser Akoodie, plus a team of volunteers and supporters from both the campaigning websites. It's testimony to the British public's resolve not to give in to the financial sector's exploitation of vulnerable and hard working citizens."

Free Web resources for the public:
Bank charges reclaiming guide, letters and video: www.moneysavingexpert.com/bankcharges
Detailed legal explanation, case letters and case preparation: www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk
Govan Law Centre in Scotland: www.bankcharges.info
Notes To Editors
1. About the Fighting Fund
MoneySavingExpert.com and ConsumerActionGroup.co.uk, as well as private individuals, have pledged over £100,000 to a legal fund, to be held in trust by registered charity the Govan Law Centre. The fund is activated if a suitable opportunity for a precedent setting bank charges claim arises. The money is paid to the fund as and when the need arises. The cases in Hull have already seen five figure expenditure.
2. About the ConsumerActionGroup
The ConsumerActionGroup is a free-to-use, not-for-profit consumer rights organisation with over 146,000 members and staffed by a team of unpaid volunteers (this includes the founders of the group). It was launched in January 2006 by Marc Gander, the legal specialist, and Dave Smith for IT.
The group has been a leader in the campaign against bank charges and its style and materials have been a key influence on most other bank charges campaigns; and its campaigners have appeared as key players across the national broadcast and print media.
Its voluntary members survey indicates more than 8,500 people have recovered over £14 million so far. We believe that the survey represents only about 35% of the true figure recovered.
3. About MoneySavingExpert.com
Consumer revenge website MoneySavingExpert.com is a free to use consumer finance help resource. The aim of the site is simple: showing people how to save money on anything and everything and fight back against big companies’ profiteering. Set up four years ago, for just £100, its no advertising, free to use, ethical stance quickly made it the UK’s biggest independent money website according to internet ranking site Alexa.com and number 1 Business and finance site according to Hitwise.
It currently has over 1,300,000 people opted in to receive its weekly Martin’s money tips e-mail, and nearly 3,000,000 unique monthly users of the site who visit over 5,000,000 times a month and receives more than 900 million hits per month.
4. About the Govan Law Centre
The Govan Law Centre (GLC) is a Glasgow based independent, community controlled law centre operating in Scotland. It is a registered Scottish charity - number registered with HM Revenue & Customs and Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator: SCO30193.
Its legal work is undertaken by the independent legal practice of Dailly & Co., Solicitors who are regulated by the Law Society of Scotland. All income of Dailly and Co., is the property of GLC. GLC is managed by local citizens from the community of Glasgow Govan. Further details on GLC work is available at www.govanlc.com
Martin Lewis, Money Saving Expert.
Please note, answers don't constitute financial advice, it is based on generalised journalistic research. Always ensure any decision is made with regards to your own individual circumstance.
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  • bookworm1363
    bookworm1363 Posts: 812 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture Photogenic Combo Breaker
    :T Consumer Power Rocks.:T
  • Beate
    Beate Posts: 3,522 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture Combo Breaker
    WOW is all I can say. Well done!!!!!!!! :beer:
    Reclaimed thanks to this site:
    £175 Abbey Mortgage Repayment Fee, £170.03 Capital One Bank Charges £418.07 Lloyds TSB Bank Charges, £2,671.55 Mis-sold Endowment Policy, all for OH
  • dchurch24
    dchurch24 Posts: 1,219 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    Nicely done ;-)

    I bet Abbey wish they hadn't dug their heels in when I asked for that 120 quid back all those moons ago ;-)
  • A HUUUUGE thank you to all involved in todays ground breaking victory in Hull. You people have rallied for the general consumer like never before. You will go down in history, and certainly in the minds of the thousands of us out here who are biting their nails waiting for actual/possible court cases.

    When I'm finally out of debt (as a result of invaluable information provided by all of you and your wonderful websites) you have my word that you'll receive a little financial donation from me. I hope that all of the rest of us out here in the same boat as me will do the same. Legal and other professional advice and support doesn't come cheap as we all know.

    I thank you all from the bottom of my heart. I myself am 5 weeks away from a multi-hearing in Cardiff versus HSBC. I now have every confidence that HSBC will settle reasonably before that hearing comes around.

    Once again I can't thank you all enough. I wish each and every one of you the very, very best, and a healthy, happy, and yes, prosperous future.

    One for all.........and all for one !!
    Buzz Lightale

    "..Toooo insolvency......and beyond !!!!..."
  • opalfruits_2
    opalfruits_2 Posts: 68 Forumite
    Fantastic news! Well done to everyone.
  • oldandskint
    oldandskint Posts: 63 Forumite
    news flash

    thousands off toilet rolls deleverd to bank chairman and directors all over the country.

    bank chairmam and directors have orderd thousands off loo rolls because they are crapping it at the thought they will have to pay out billions to reclaim charges customers

    this years directors hollidays canceled as customers wont pay for the bubbly

    well done hull great news :T :j
    :rolleyes: ITS A FAR BETER THING I DO NOW THAN I HAVE EVER DONE BEFORE
    :wall:
  • steveh66_2
    steveh66_2 Posts: 22 Forumite
    Tremendous news; well done to all involved. I'm in the middle of trying to claw my money back from HSBC and Alliance and Leicester and have made a point of sending both requests for full, transparent breakdowns of the costs to them in administering my account, in order to justify the charges levied. I never thought for a moment that they'd comply, but this news surely gives added weight to the same request once repeated in Court, as I've also threatened.

    Well done once again!
  • Now I know why my court case has been set for the 28th September! This is great news!
  • chrissieo
    chrissieo Posts: 56 Forumite
    Has there been any comment from any of the major banks following yesterday's court hearings?

    Chrissie
    When one door closes, another one always opens, but sometimes it's hell in the hallway:rolleyes:
  • droppy
    droppy Posts: 10 Forumite
    well done hull


    i just wondering if anybody is in the same position as me i have been waiting for court date from hull country court for 6 weeks i understand this is because they were waiting to see what happen yesterday which was a great victory for us all.will the the judges be making a decison on these cases soon

    many thanks
    droppy
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