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Suggestions for honing the Reclaim bank charges article/reclaiming

MSE_Martin
Posts: 8,272 Money Saving Expert


The effort to take on the banks is a massive one. And this site's collective resource is a powerhouse towards it. As I write nearly 1.5 million template letters have been downloaded.
Yet this is an ever changing and developing situation. If you're experience/expertise can add to that, it will of course be welcomed. So please add your suggestions below.
Remember this is primarily suggestions to the article and templates.
1. The article is a mainstream guide.
Quite deliberately the article is toned at the mainstream user, rather than the dedicated bank charge reclaiming activist. Therefore my aim is to manage the delicate balance between understandability and technical accuracy.
For the same reason, it should be understood that most people who come here read the articles, and are very scared. The guide is there to assuage fears and encourage peopel to take on the banks; without becoming overly militant, which scares many off.
2. Only active suggestions are welcome
There are many different opinins on how best to tackle this issue. So I'm afraid sometimes there will be disagreements. I will take the decision that I think is best for the mainstream users of the site.
As such please do not post 'criticisms' here. This is for 'suggestions'. Do you have a way that things can be improved to help others. If you do, they're more than welcome; if you simply don't like the way things are done and want to complain about it - then your posts will be deleted from this specific thread, to keep it clear and practical.
Thanks in advance for all your help and suggestions
Martin
Yet this is an ever changing and developing situation. If you're experience/expertise can add to that, it will of course be welcomed. So please add your suggestions below.
Remember this is primarily suggestions to the article and templates.
Important: Please read these notes before adding a reply
1. The article is a mainstream guide.
Quite deliberately the article is toned at the mainstream user, rather than the dedicated bank charge reclaiming activist. Therefore my aim is to manage the delicate balance between understandability and technical accuracy.
For the same reason, it should be understood that most people who come here read the articles, and are very scared. The guide is there to assuage fears and encourage peopel to take on the banks; without becoming overly militant, which scares many off.
2. Only active suggestions are welcome
There are many different opinins on how best to tackle this issue. So I'm afraid sometimes there will be disagreements. I will take the decision that I think is best for the mainstream users of the site.
As such please do not post 'criticisms' here. This is for 'suggestions'. Do you have a way that things can be improved to help others. If you do, they're more than welcome; if you simply don't like the way things are done and want to complain about it - then your posts will be deleted from this specific thread, to keep it clear and practical.
Thanks in advance for all your help and suggestions
Martin
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I shall start this off, before anyone suggests the same thing.
It is of course important that the potential impact of the OFT announcement is included in the new article. On Monday (I dont have access to the right back links at the moment) I intend to add a link to this post in there.
MartinMartin Lewis, Money Saving Expert.
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Well hello there, its a pleasure to greet you and to be able to reply to one of your posts
I have a couple for you Martin and thank you as a poster who tries to help as well as a claimant who asks questions for the oppertunity to express my ideas in one thread. Often excellent advice is buried in gleaming chunks in the depths of the forum and it can be daunting to face pages pages to look through. This is a wonderful oppertunity to help people who visit the site at the very first stage when they download the letters and before they enter the forum.
My own letters will be much more militant in manner as I try not to show fear, they can smell it. I also have an inherent streak of devilish cheek that will probably get me into serious trouble one day. I adapt your excellent templates to suit my needs and thank you for the kick-start provided by them. However my suggestions here are genuine additions, not adaptions or further advice and I genuinly hope they help someone who is nervous about this process.
Writing to the bank initially to request 6 years details I suggest the following addition to the template:
I am advised it may be practice for some financial institutions to store older records on microfiche and the Information Commissioner has deemed microfiche to be a relevant filing system under the the Data Protection Act. As such, any of my data stored in such a manner must therefore be represented on paper in a fully legible and comprehensible form in accordance with my entitlement to this request under the act.
This makes people aware this is a common problem but easily overcome.
2nd letter to request full refund, both versions (with or without interest):
I would suggest deletion of the phrase that reads 'of going into unauthorised overdraft' and to end that sentence at the name of the bank. This further hones the letter to one that anyone at all can use as it is or adapt with an addition regarding their own circumstances. Left as it is I feel it may be misleading to the bank and indicate accidentally that you are only disputing an overdraft you may not have or only overdraft charges despite the remainder of the letter to the contrary. Perhaps this interpretation by the bank would compromise your claim at court stage ? I dont know.
3rd letter to advise of possible court action.
On checking both letters I see they are identical and suggest removing one from the site to eliminate duplication and avoid confusion.
Further in light of banks using solicitors and their further requests for a list of charges at court stage I would suggest an addition after the last line regarding court proceedingss to read 'Should you wish to defend this action in court I require full contact details of your chosen representative and will forward these details for their retention and perusal in advance.'
Their late action in making such requests can be a jolt to claimants, wavering resolve and I believe it would be best to pre-empt this action giving them this 14 days to provide to the information. It would further be an indication to someone downloading the template for the first time that this is a common problem but easily remedied, so providing reassurance.
With regard to the site I think it may be worthwile to mention somewhere near the start that as at present the banks are under investigation at present by four different regulatory bodies in respect of their treatment of people who reclaim bank charges and may face prosection for same.
Source: http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/article2323398.ece - dated 3rd March 2007.
This would reassure further anyone who is nervous about even thinking about starting this process.
Thank you once again for this oppertunity and for this site, keep up the good work0 -
One step that I have found incredibly useful on all the claims I have succesfully raised for myself & family/friends is if the bank is being particularly stubborn and havent coughed up by the time you go to filing your N9 form. Ring the bank up, tell them you are on the steps of the court right now, and would they like to settle immediately to save themselves court fee's / solicitors fee's / 8% interest etc. 6 out of the 7 banks I did this with said yes immediately.
Obviously insist they put this offer in writing though.0 -
Hmm ...no more posts... I suddenly feel like I just told grandma how to suck eggs
/sorry Martin0 -
Maybe we could amend some of the templates somewhat? For example where it says "and therefore the [INSERT NAME OF COURT] court will rule in my favour." We have so many people asking what the name of the court is, and there really is no need at all to input the name of the court at that stage, so could we just leave that bit out?
Where it says "I look forward for a full response", I don't want to be pernickety, but shouldn't that rather be "I look forward TO a full response"?
Also, are people are supposed to use different wording for business accounts or credit card companies? If so, there should be a separate template for that.
Just my two cents, no offence - the work you are doing here is incredible, Martin!Reclaimed thanks to this site:
£175 Abbey Mortgage Repayment Fee, £170.03 Capital One Bank Charges £418.07 Lloyds TSB Bank Charges, £2,671.55 Mis-sold Endowment Policy, all for OH0 -
hey Martin
I've noticed that alot of people are unsure of their own particular banks charges (me for one) as they all seem to have their own language and the way they clump them together, this together with the increases/decreases of the charges and different service charges for different types of account over the past six years makes it virtually impossible to decifer in some cases.
I think maybe a thread which just contains this kind of information could be of great help for those starting the process (maybe a sub-board on each bank thread)
MOST of the information IS available already on the site but there are an awful lot of posts per individual bank threads.
Sorry I know this isn't directly related to the article or templates but i thought it was worth a suggestion
Keep up the GREAT work
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Hi Martin
This is technical suggestion regarding your 'particulars of claim' template.
I (in the last few days) used the moneyclaim website to file claims after getting fobbed off by HSBC and Egg.
The 'particulars of claim' text-box on the moneyclaim website is limited to 1080 characters on 24 lines. After using your template the website would not accept the text as it said it was too long.
I deleted paragraph 4 regarding interest in order to make it small enough. MC have accepted and issued both claims.
It also does not seem to like the " characters in paragraph 2 and rejects it (I replaced " with ') to get round this.
Not sure what other people have done here (or if this is a recent change to the MC website) but thought this might be helpful. Unfortunately it's not easy to test this.
There is a thread relating to this issue here:
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=353590
Thanks very much and best of luck!0 -
I entered all my charges into a spread sheet so I have all of these in printable and emailable format. It took me ages to figure it but I created a formula to calculate the statutory interest. The caculations it made were only slightly different to the online calcualtor. The reason I didn't use the online calculator because it looked to me that I could print it out the data but I couldn't store it. Perhaps this could be looked at or I'd be happy to share my spreadsheet for use by others. perhaps someone could double check the accuracy of the calculations. The only thing is that it calculates the statutory intersest on the day you enter the data not on the day you end up filing a claim so you're under calculating the interest but I figured I'd be slightly generous to my bank since they'd been so unhelpful to me (two wrongs don't make a right);)0
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please could it be made clearer, how to read and calculate overcharging from actual bank statements; I have six years worth of statements sitting here, but am finding it very difficult to separate NORMAL CHARGES FROM OVERCHARGES. I'm sure this would help a lot of people.
thankyou pip smith -teacher0 -
I entered all my charges into a spread sheet so I have all of these in printable and emailable format. It took me ages to figure it but I created a formula to calculate the statutory interest. The caculations it made were only slightly different to the online calcualtor. The reason I didn't use the online calculator because it looked to me that I could print it out the data but I couldn't store it. Perhaps this could be looked at or I'd be happy to share my spreadsheet for use by others. perhaps someone could double check the accuracy of the calculations. The only thing is that it calculates the statutory intersest on the day you enter the data not on the day you end up filing a claim so you're under calculating the interest but I figured I'd be slightly generous to my bank since they'd been so unhelpful to me (two wrongs don't make a right);)
Steve
I have created a charges / interest spreadsheet in Excel that works with the current date and updates itself daily.
If you want to take a look I'd be happy to e-mail it to you.
Regards
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