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Ant84
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Hello everyone,
Thought I'd post my predicament into here, as it seems like it's the first step to recovery (hopefully!). My situation is as follows. I'll try to keep it as short as possible in the hope of not boring you all to death...
This time last year, everything was going great, I had a credit card and store purchases that I was paying off on time and in full, and my credit rating was fairly good. In January of this year, I did what a lot of young lads would do, having just turned 21 and having plenty of money, and started looking at nice sports cars. I had a word with the finance company I had my hatchback with at the time (BCT) and they said they were willing to borrow me enough money to finance a nice Audi TT I'd spotted for sale. I had a think over my finances, and decided that it was fine to go ahead with the purchase.
Things were fine up until April, when we lost a major contract completely out of the blue with our business, and our profits really took a hit. Added to this was the ridiculous amount of unlawful charges we were getting from the bank (as well documented on this site), and there was no way I would be able to keep up repayments on the car, at least for the next 3 months or so. My credit card and store card payments were also hit by this, and I couldn't afford them either. This led to me defaulting on 3 different accounts. I did what I thought was the sensible thing to do at the time, and instead of brushing the problem under the carpet, I got in touch with BCT to let them know what was going on, and that I'd struggle to keep up with the repayments for the next couple of months. They were very, very unhelpful with the matter, and I told them in no uncertain terms that if they weren't willing to agree to reduced payments until I was fine again, or make some sort of agreement with me about it, that they would have to come and collect the car. Following this phone call, I received a barrage of threatening letters from them, saying that if I didn't pay them what I owed immediately, that they would repossess the car. Remember that with every letter, their monthly charge goes up an extra £25. Another load of unlawful rubbish right there (similar to the bank charges). With them pushing up their charges through unlawful practises, I had no chance of meeting the payments, even though I explored every possible avenue.
I'd missed May's payment, and a few days after I'd missed June's payment, they were at the door with a wagon, out of the blue. I didn't understand the repercussions of repossession at that time, so I unwittingly handed over the keys, and took my private registration off the car. I told the bloke that they couldn't sell it when it was still registered under my plate, which he accepted and then asked me for my signature. Following this, I got in touch with the DVLA, and they managed to mess up in any which way possible consistently, which led to BCT selling the car with my plate on it. I was livid at the DVLA for their incompetence, which they later stated they could do nothing about.
Everything went quiet for a few months, and then I received a letter from BCT one morning. They informed me that they had sold the car for £10,850 (only £5,000) less than they were selling for privately on Auto Trader at the same time, and that they wanted the other £22,000 from me. This was made up of the full 5 years interest, and their nonsense charges on top of that. Once I'd stopped laughing at the letter, I phoned CCCS, Trading Standards and the CAB. To my understandable horror, they told me that there was nothing I could do, and that I was liable for the ENTIRE sum. I laughed this off as nonsense, as the sheer notion made absolutely no sense whatsoever to me. I couldn't see how they could charge £22,000 for something that I'd never owned, had for only 5 months, and they had an almost instant £12,000+ return on.
Since then, there's been no contact from me or from them, and I really don't know where I stand with this. As a 22 year old lad, I simply can't afford to be paying this kind of money, and it's seemingly going to stop me from living as someone my age would (looking at house purchases, holidays and the like). The realisation of this has changed me as a person - I get so stressed about it, and I just feel like there's no way out of this downward spiral of debt.
My credit history is now shot to bits, and I can't get anything anymore without paying cash upfront, all due to a rough 3 months in business and the bank's ludicrous unlawful charges.
I'm not sure if I've got this in the right forum, but this seems like the place to come when you realise you need help. If I've posted it in the wrong place, would someone please move it to the correct forum? Cheers.
Anyway, that's my story, and I'd really welcome any help anyone can offer me, it'll be very much appreciated.
Regards,
Anthony.
Thought I'd post my predicament into here, as it seems like it's the first step to recovery (hopefully!). My situation is as follows. I'll try to keep it as short as possible in the hope of not boring you all to death...
This time last year, everything was going great, I had a credit card and store purchases that I was paying off on time and in full, and my credit rating was fairly good. In January of this year, I did what a lot of young lads would do, having just turned 21 and having plenty of money, and started looking at nice sports cars. I had a word with the finance company I had my hatchback with at the time (BCT) and they said they were willing to borrow me enough money to finance a nice Audi TT I'd spotted for sale. I had a think over my finances, and decided that it was fine to go ahead with the purchase.
Things were fine up until April, when we lost a major contract completely out of the blue with our business, and our profits really took a hit. Added to this was the ridiculous amount of unlawful charges we were getting from the bank (as well documented on this site), and there was no way I would be able to keep up repayments on the car, at least for the next 3 months or so. My credit card and store card payments were also hit by this, and I couldn't afford them either. This led to me defaulting on 3 different accounts. I did what I thought was the sensible thing to do at the time, and instead of brushing the problem under the carpet, I got in touch with BCT to let them know what was going on, and that I'd struggle to keep up with the repayments for the next couple of months. They were very, very unhelpful with the matter, and I told them in no uncertain terms that if they weren't willing to agree to reduced payments until I was fine again, or make some sort of agreement with me about it, that they would have to come and collect the car. Following this phone call, I received a barrage of threatening letters from them, saying that if I didn't pay them what I owed immediately, that they would repossess the car. Remember that with every letter, their monthly charge goes up an extra £25. Another load of unlawful rubbish right there (similar to the bank charges). With them pushing up their charges through unlawful practises, I had no chance of meeting the payments, even though I explored every possible avenue.
I'd missed May's payment, and a few days after I'd missed June's payment, they were at the door with a wagon, out of the blue. I didn't understand the repercussions of repossession at that time, so I unwittingly handed over the keys, and took my private registration off the car. I told the bloke that they couldn't sell it when it was still registered under my plate, which he accepted and then asked me for my signature. Following this, I got in touch with the DVLA, and they managed to mess up in any which way possible consistently, which led to BCT selling the car with my plate on it. I was livid at the DVLA for their incompetence, which they later stated they could do nothing about.
Everything went quiet for a few months, and then I received a letter from BCT one morning. They informed me that they had sold the car for £10,850 (only £5,000) less than they were selling for privately on Auto Trader at the same time, and that they wanted the other £22,000 from me. This was made up of the full 5 years interest, and their nonsense charges on top of that. Once I'd stopped laughing at the letter, I phoned CCCS, Trading Standards and the CAB. To my understandable horror, they told me that there was nothing I could do, and that I was liable for the ENTIRE sum. I laughed this off as nonsense, as the sheer notion made absolutely no sense whatsoever to me. I couldn't see how they could charge £22,000 for something that I'd never owned, had for only 5 months, and they had an almost instant £12,000+ return on.
Since then, there's been no contact from me or from them, and I really don't know where I stand with this. As a 22 year old lad, I simply can't afford to be paying this kind of money, and it's seemingly going to stop me from living as someone my age would (looking at house purchases, holidays and the like). The realisation of this has changed me as a person - I get so stressed about it, and I just feel like there's no way out of this downward spiral of debt.
My credit history is now shot to bits, and I can't get anything anymore without paying cash upfront, all due to a rough 3 months in business and the bank's ludicrous unlawful charges.
I'm not sure if I've got this in the right forum, but this seems like the place to come when you realise you need help. If I've posted it in the wrong place, would someone please move it to the correct forum? Cheers.
Anyway, that's my story, and I'd really welcome any help anyone can offer me, it'll be very much appreciated.
Regards,
Anthony.
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Hi Ant and welcome,
Bl**dy Car Finance :mad: :mad:
Just to let you know that I have been there - it is a nightmare - and I sympathise with you.
Why don't you post a SOA, showing your income, expenditure and debts, then we can give you some better advice.
Cheers Ant
Rog2I am NOT, nor do I profess to be, a Qualified Debt Adviser. I have made MANY mistakes and have OFTEN been the unwitting victim of the the shamefull tactics of the Financial Industry.
If any of my experiences, or the knowledge that I have gained from those experiences, can help anyone who finds themselves in similar circumstances, then my experiences have not been in vain.
HMRC Bankruptcy Statistic - 26th October 2006 - 23rd April 2007 BCSC Member No. 7
DFW Nerd # 166 PROUD TO BE DEALING WITH MY DEBTS0 -
I think on the credit score thing your age doesnt help either.
The only thing i can think of is making repayment offers to those you owe at a rate you can afford ( take advice from cccs or similar) and go from there, to be honest i wish my credit score was bad a couple of years ago this way i wouldnt have been able to get into this mess in the first place.
Your young and have time to sort things out rebuild your score and start a fresh - good luck
Total Joint Debt £139k :eek:
Proud to be dealing with our debts:T0 -
Ant84 and I have met on another thread in case anyone wonders at my comments. By talking to the agencies you mentioned you have already established that the debt is legitimate and cannot be reduced. When homes are repossessed by law an advert has to appear in the local paper saying something like “£XXX,000 has bee offered for 32 Anywhere Road, Sometown a two bed semi-detached house. Higher bids will be considered until 27 March.” This law does not apply to cars and I would think that a friend of someone in the finance dept is driving around in what was your car!
How are your finances now? Do you have any assets such as equity in a property? Can you manage day to day expenses such as mortgage/rent and bills?0 -
Just to let you know that my symathies are with you on this one. It was car finance during a bad employment time that actually started me onto a path of other debt. Unfortunately I did not have this site to help me work through things. You have, so can maybe turn things around before it gets any worse. I also managed to scrape together enough monthly payments to get to the halfway mark on the finance and then gave the car back, all quits.
It is an awful situation for you to be in, but if the TS,CCCS, and CAB say it is all above board then the best thing you can do is as rog2 says is post an SOA to see if people on here are able to make your life a little easier, and free up more cash to repay it.
Sorry I am unable to offer any actual advice, just support.0 -
Thanks for the replies, everyone.
Luckily for me, I have around £10,000 coming in a short while (with any luck) due to my claim from Natwest bank about their charges, so that can go some way to settling my debt. I'm not 100% sure that the debt can't be reduced, it was just the impression I got from CCCS.
Currently have no money troubles other than my debt. I was thinking of maybe putting the £10,000 down as a deposit on a house, renovating it (as I work in that trade and could do it for little cost), and then remortgaging to pay my debts. It's just an idea, haven't thought much about it to be honest yet.
Rog, I couldn't put down how much I earn weekly or monthly, as I'm self employed and it varies wildly. Some weeks I'll end up with next to nothing, and some weeks I'll clear £1,000 in wages for myself. It's a lottery, really.
What would people advise my next step to be? Is it worth writing to BCT and asking if they'll accept a reduced settlement? If it is rejected and passed on to a DCA, would they be likely to accept a smaller amount in settlement? I know that DCAs somethings agree to this, but I'm not sure what kind of a percentage they'd be likely to take.
It's safe to say that I'll never, ever get finance for anything other than a house in my entire life. Credit is the enemy!
Regards,
Anthony.0 -
pbradley936 wrote:This law does not apply to cars and I would think that a friend of someone in the finance dept is driving around in what was your car!
I don't think so. This may have happened in the past but not anymore. All the cars i have to repo are sold through British Car Auctions.
Ant84 - I did get your PM but not at work until tomorrow so will have a proper look at the figures then0 -
Phoenix, did you get my PM with the information you asked for in my other thread?
Edit - Just noticed you answered my question before I asked! Thanks mate.0 -
You could try for a 'Full and Final' settlement, but you are not likely to get much joy on this from BCT. In any case - can you afford it?I am NOT, nor do I profess to be, a Qualified Debt Adviser. I have made MANY mistakes and have OFTEN been the unwitting victim of the the shamefull tactics of the Financial Industry.
If any of my experiences, or the knowledge that I have gained from those experiences, can help anyone who finds themselves in similar circumstances, then my experiences have not been in vain.
HMRC Bankruptcy Statistic - 26th October 2006 - 23rd April 2007 BCSC Member No. 7
DFW Nerd # 166 PROUD TO BE DEALING WITH MY DEBTS0 -
Ant84 wrote:Would it have to be a lump sum?
Normally - Yes I'm afraid.I am NOT, nor do I profess to be, a Qualified Debt Adviser. I have made MANY mistakes and have OFTEN been the unwitting victim of the the shamefull tactics of the Financial Industry.
If any of my experiences, or the knowledge that I have gained from those experiences, can help anyone who finds themselves in similar circumstances, then my experiences have not been in vain.
HMRC Bankruptcy Statistic - 26th October 2006 - 23rd April 2007 BCSC Member No. 7
DFW Nerd # 166 PROUD TO BE DEALING WITH MY DEBTS0
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