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Subsidence- advice please!

dottiepeas
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Hello,
We are currently buying a house with an accepted offer of £162k.
We had a basic valuation done on the house we're buying- and it revealed possible structural probs, and so the surveyor valued it at 100k. (in current condition), and so we had a structural engineers report done, which revealed subsidence to part of the property- fairly big job around £30k? to dig up the ground floor/re-build the foundations.
The structural engineer also valued it at £100k in its current state.
Do you think we should negotiate with the EA to accept the £100k that it's been valued at? Or would the EA think it's too low? (Bearing in mind, 2 surveyors have come back with valuations of £100k?)
Surely, any other buyer, would also come back with the same thing? (after surveys etc)...so how likely is the EA going to sell the house for more than it's valuation price?
Or not pursue this house, and find another!?....(though have now spent the money on the original survey and engineers reports!)
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Many thanks!
We are currently buying a house with an accepted offer of £162k.
We had a basic valuation done on the house we're buying- and it revealed possible structural probs, and so the surveyor valued it at 100k. (in current condition), and so we had a structural engineers report done, which revealed subsidence to part of the property- fairly big job around £30k? to dig up the ground floor/re-build the foundations.
The structural engineer also valued it at £100k in its current state.
Do you think we should negotiate with the EA to accept the £100k that it's been valued at? Or would the EA think it's too low? (Bearing in mind, 2 surveyors have come back with valuations of £100k?)
Surely, any other buyer, would also come back with the same thing? (after surveys etc)...so how likely is the EA going to sell the house for more than it's valuation price?
Or not pursue this house, and find another!?....(though have now spent the money on the original survey and engineers reports!)
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Many thanks!
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By all means put in the lower offer.
The EA is probably unaware of the structural problems and no-one will buy a house for more than it's worth - so nothing to lose.
Are you getting a mortgage on the property? If so, you'll need to check with the lender that they are happy to loan on the building in it's current condition. Will you be funding the repairs?0 -
By all means put in the lower offer.
The EA is probably unaware of the structural problems and no-one will buy a house for more than it's worth - so nothing to lose.
Are you getting a mortgage on the property? If so, you'll need to check with the lender that they are happy to loan on the building in it's current condition. Will you be funding the repairs?
Yes, we are getting a mortgage on it, so I'm worried that the bank won't lend us the money on a property with subsidence. We will also need to borrow the funds to do the repairs too, so I'm thinking if the EA wants more than what is being valued at, the buyer would possibly be a builder/cash buyer. As if we do struggle to get it mortgaged in the current condition, then the next buyer who also needs a mortgage will be in the same position as us.
I think tmw I will contact the EA and let them know about what the structural engineer has found, suggest the new valued price, and see what the EA says. (Can give them a copy of the engineers report to prove it).
Or the other option is to suggest the vendor does the repair work on the foundation first?...(though I suspect this isn't a likely option, as the vendor has passed away and a family member is looking after the estate)..
Why couldn't we have found a normal house!!? heehee!0 -
It would be far easier for the vendor to get the subsidence fixed as it will be an insurance job. It will be difficult - or probably impossible - for you to get the work done. Firstly, you don't have insurance. Secondly, you won't now get insurance as you will have to declare the existence of subsidence; thirdly, you're unlikely to get a mortgage for the full asking price. Even if you pay £100k, you would then need to fund the cost of putting the subsidence right.
I don't often say this but .... I'd be inclined to walk away. It will take the vendor months - possibly 12-18 months to have all this sorted via insurance. The best he can hope for is a cash buyer who will do the subsidence work and who adjusts the price accordingly.Warning ..... I'm a peri-menopausal axe-wielding maniac0 -
Forget it, move on. Too much hassle.If you are querying your Council Tax band would you please state whether you are in England, Scotland or Wales0
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I agree with Lincroft. However, if you do buy it the vendors ought to transfer the benefit of the insurance claim with the sale of the property. That way, you can bid more. Whether your lenders will play ball is another matter. Future insurance could be expensive, too.No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?0
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Sorry to drag up a slightly older post that I started! But have today got a call from the EA saying the vendor/benificiary had renewed their insurance in March, and so the insurance co. could potentially repair the subsidence beforehand.
This is abit of good news I think?...though does anyone know how long the whole insurance claiming process will take?..as someone on here said 12-18mths, but the EA said it should only take afew weeks??..and that I should be able to complete/move in within 6 mths? (He says the work could be carried out whilst the legal work was in progress)
Also, mortgage wise- now that the insurance co of the vendor could carry out the repair works- would they still lend the full amount on a property with abit of subsidence? And, what would happen with the valuation? As the valuation they did was £100k based on current state. Would they send another surveyor round to value the house again once repair works have been completed?
Sorry for lots of questions!..we're ftb!.and definately have no experience of buying a home, let alone a home with subsidence/mortgage issues!!
Thanks very much!!0 -
I would imagine it would need to be revalued, what deposit do you have?0
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How much do you really want this house?
we bought a house with historical(not ongoing) subsidence and it was a nightmare when we came to sell,buyers run a mile at the mere mention of subsidence on a survey.
the second house we bought developed cracks and had suspected subsidence,it took our insurance company 3 years of testing and monitoring to decide there was no problem.......you may have a long wait if it is being done by the insurance company.0 -
Hi dottie - I'm also a FTB and by no means an expert, but I would think:dottiepeas wrote: »This is abit of good news I think?...though does anyone know how long the whole insurance claiming process will take?..as someone on here said 12-18mths, but the EA said it should only take afew weeks??..and that I should be able to complete/move in within 6 mths? (He says the work could be carried out whilst the legal work was in progress)
Good news - yes, as it would sort the potential problem. Ensuring all the work is guaranteed etc etc.
Is the house vacant? If not I suspect it would end up taking a lot longer than a few weeks by the time the procedures are put into place. If it is standing empty this may be a different situation.Also, mortgage wise- now that the insurance co of the vendor could carry out the repair works- would they still lend the full amount on a property with abit of subsidence?
I guess this is at their discrepancy. Call them, quote your reference and specifically ask. Also ask for them to make a note on the system, and if possible send you a letter in writing (if they will, stating that subject to quality of work / re inspection they will be willing to lend you the money).And, what would happen with the valuation? As the valuation they did was £100k based on current state. Would they send another surveyor round to value the house again once repair works have been completed?Sorry for lots of questions!..we're ftb!.and definately have no experience of buying a home, let alone a home with subsidence/mortgage issues!!
Thanks very much!!
No worries.
Another thing to add though: when shopping around for your own insurance, you will most likely be asked to declare any known issues of subsidance etc in the past. Declaring this can and most likely will limit your options. Maybe get some quotes now just in case?
Good luck!"The future needs a big kiss"0 -
Maybe, if we were buying a house for the end-of-our-days, the subsidence was minor, and we could buy it real cheap.. it wouldn't bother me. Still, I'd prefer to avoid it.
I really don't like the woman (Anne Ashworth) but picked up this useful tip from her column (see quoted part below.)
Unlike the OP, many other potential buyers aren't going to just offer what the seller or some EA who could be any twonk with zero qualifications to their name imagine is the right price for a home.. if there are major issues to resolve.
You shouldn't worry about hurting the seller's feelings to offer well below asking price. Their mortgage debt isn't your problem. Their house being their pension isn't your problem. You have to look out for yourself.Warnings that the forecast heatwave could cause subsidence came after alerts about the tide of trouble that results from flooding. Homeowners may be feeling that there are only so many puns they can take.
But homes in flood plains have suffered above-average losses in value, and subsidence can cause similar damage. Anyone who lives in a “shrinkable clay soil area” - in other words, subsidence central - should check for warning signs, such as cracks near windows. Should you have no idea whether your house is built on clay, Halifax says: “If soil can be rolled into a ball easily, it is likely to have a high clay content.”
These checks are particularly important if you are thinking of putting your home on the market, as buyers could use them as an excuse to drive down the price - which would really leave you with a sinking feeling.0
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