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ICICI no good for Savings over £40k
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Lowtrawler
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Don’t use ICICI for large deposits which you may want to access quickly. I have sold my house and am in the process of buying a new one. In the meantime, I have deposited close to £300k with ICICI. To be on the safe side, I enquired how to access my money with them when I need to pay for my new house:
I received 2 contradictory responses:
I wrote enquiring in what respect ICICI have an instant access account if only £40k can actually be accessed instantly and threatening to report them to the FSA for breaching their own conditions and for falsely describing the product.
I received a response saying that they could actually provide a CHAPS facility for the value in the account.
I wrote asking how to arrange a CHAPS payment for June and asking them to initiate this.
They wrote back saying I would have to contact them in June.
I wrote saying this concerned me and asking for the process to initiate a CHAPS payment be explained to me so that it will run smoothly in June and asking for a named individual as contact point in the event of any difficulties.
I received a response saying that they don’t officially offer CHAPS facilities and these may not be available in June.
I am now in the process of setting up a new savings account (with Bradford and Bingley) and will be moving my savings from ICICI into this.
Morale of the story – don’t keep more than £40k with ICICI if you might require to access more than this quickly.
“I am looking to purchase a house and will need access to my funds as a lump sum in June of this year. Can you confirm if it would be possible to arrange a CHAPS transfer for mid June of this year? If not, what would be the easiest (quickest) way to gain access to what I expect will be substantial funds?”
I received 2 contradictory responses:
1. I can initiate as many BACS transfers of £10k each as I wish on a given date and these will be processed, they do not provide CHAPS facilities.
2. I can initiate as many BACS transfers of £10k each as I wish on a given date but only 4 of these will be processed on that day and each subsequent BACS transfer will be delayed by 3 to 4 days, (doing the maths – it could take over 100 days to fully access £300k) they do not provide CHAPS facilities.
I wrote enquiring in what respect ICICI have an instant access account if only £40k can actually be accessed instantly and threatening to report them to the FSA for breaching their own conditions and for falsely describing the product.
I received a response saying that they could actually provide a CHAPS facility for the value in the account.
I wrote asking how to arrange a CHAPS payment for June and asking them to initiate this.
They wrote back saying I would have to contact them in June.
I wrote saying this concerned me and asking for the process to initiate a CHAPS payment be explained to me so that it will run smoothly in June and asking for a named individual as contact point in the event of any difficulties.
I received a response saying that they don’t officially offer CHAPS facilities and these may not be available in June.
I am now in the process of setting up a new savings account (with Bradford and Bingley) and will be moving my savings from ICICI into this.
Morale of the story – don’t keep more than £40k with ICICI if you might require to access more than this quickly.
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I would say don't keep more than 30k with ICICI as this is the FSA compensation limit.0
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anticlaus105 wrote:I would say don't keep more than 30k with ICICI as this is the FSA compensation limit.
Are you sure about this? I thought it was 35k - 100% of the first £2000 and 90% of the next £33000. Can anyone confirm this?0 -
The FSA scheme affords 100% protection to the first £2000 of a depositor’s total deposits with the Bank and 90% of the next £33,000 amounting to a maximum payout of £31,700.
This is the same compensation as for any FSA registered bank in the UK. ICICI have a better credit rating than many UK high street savings institutions and so unless you are ultra-cautious and decide never to hold more than £35k in an account, I don't believe the compensation regime should be an issue. Much more at issue is the standard of service.
I received a quick turnaround on all my correspondence with ICICI. However, they provided contradictory information and finally withdrew a commitment to CHAPS they had previously made. If I had not checked on the position well in advance, or had relied on their initial commitment to CHAPS, I could have incurred huge costs and lost my house purchase. I no longer have any confidence in their ability to transact my account and am in the process of moving it. I have been with ICICI since September last year and previously had no complaints over their service. I have no doubts that for smaller savings balances, they remain a good home.0 -
Sorry....my bad. It's 35k as outlined above.0
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ICICI Bank UK Ltd publish on the Internet all of their HiSAVE Account Terms and Conditions at
http://www.icicibank.co.uk/personal-banking/faqs.html#8
I have taken the following clauses, which are all of those pertinent to money transfer into and out of the HiSAVE acount into the customer's linked current account:-
18. What is the need to set up a Direct Debit?
We need to have an electronic funds transfer facility set up between your HiSAVE Savings Account and your Current Account in order to enable quick and efficient deposits into your HiSAVE Savings Account. Under no circumstances will the money be taken out of your Current Account as a one off payment or on a regular basis, unless you instruct us to do so.
You can also instruct us to withdraw money from your HiSAVE Savings Account and send it electronically to your Current Account at any point of time
19. How much time does it take to transfer funds between the HiSAVE Savings Account and the Current Account?
It normally takes three to four working days to transfer funds between your HiSAVE Savings Account and your Current Account.
21. Can I request multiple funds transfers on a single day or two consecutive days?
Yes, you may request multiple funds transfers on a single day or two consecutive days. However, we reserve the right to club requests received on a single day, and execute the transfers as a single request.
(Note: Here they us the expression "club requests". I personally take this to mean they would "bulk requests" or "add them together" but this is my own personal interpretation. To the very best of my belief there is not a verb in the English language, which is an action known as "to club requests".)
22. How long does it take to process multiple funds transfer requests made on a single day?
Our endeavour is to process multiple funds transfer requests within the stipulated time limit. However there is a possibility that for multiple requests, every subsequent request may get delayed by four to five working days. This delay is due to the time taken to set up new Direct Debits in case multiple transfers are requested. We reserve the right to set up new Direct Debits in case multiple requests are received.
23. How long does it take to process multiple funds transfer requests made on two consecutive days?
We advocate the set up of standing instructions to transfer money at a defined periodicity (Recurring Funds Transfer Facility). If you do choose to make multiple transfer requests on consecutive days, there could be a delay of four to five working days for the second and every subsequent transfer requests. This delay is due to the time taken to set up another Direct Debit in case of multiple transfers.
24. Is there a limit on the amount that is transferred to/from the Linked account on a single day?
There is no limit for inbound transactions. However, transactions from the HiSAVE account to your current account are limited to £10000 per transaction. In order to transfer more than £10000, you can initiate multiple funds transfer requests.
25. Where can I access my HiSAVE Savings Account?
Your HiSAVE Savings account is accessible to you 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. It means banking anytime, anywhere as long as you have an internet connection. Transactions are done in real time so your account balance and transaction history is always up-to-date.
Clause 22 is quite vague in its meaning.
One could be optimistic that ICICI would attempt to add together all of a series of individual £10,000 requests and do them as a single transaction on the day requested for transfer to reduce their own paperwork and transfer costs and be customer and transaction efficient.
But they go on to say in Clause 22, "However there is a possibility that for multiple requests, every subsequent request may get delayed by four to five working days. This delay is due to the time taken to set up new Direct Debits in case multiple transfers are requested. We reserve the right to set up new Direct Debits in case multiple requests are received."
What on earth does this mean?
Using as an example a request to transfer 5 x £10,000 (or £50,000) out of the HiSAVE account, one could take it to mean they will either add the 5 transactions together - or they wont.
If they didn't then Clause 22 might be taken to mean it could take them 5 x 'up to five working days for each transaction' thus making a total of 25 working days. (NB. "Working days are NOT the same as "Calendar days" either.)
We then move on to what they say about transfers in Clause 23 (see above).
However, Clause 24, if read optimistically and taken as being pertinent only to 'Transfers OUT', which it actually only is about deals with a large transfer request very simply by implying how a series of £10,000 transfer requests could and would be bulked together.
It is my interpretation that Clause 24 is therefore about 'large Transfers OUT' and the other clauses are about 'numerous transfers' and the banking difficulties associated with them.
Does anyone have any other comments or views?
I have not yet spoke to anyone at the bank about this myself. They are exceedingly and notoriously difficult to deal with. Indeed, our own English culture does not marry well to that experienced by the Indian staff, who may often be taken to reside on some far distant unobjective planet. They do seem to regard an objective question as requiring merely a token type of answer, without necessarily really dealing thoroughly with what has actually been asked. This makes the art of thorough communication with them as being quite a laborious and difficult fight.0 -
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I have been in extensive correspondence with ICICI and can conclude the following:
1. If you want to transfer more than £40k from your account you will need to set up more than 4 transfer requests as £10k is the maximum per transfer request. They will process a maximum of 4 transfer requests on any given day and each subsequent request will be delayed by up to 4 days. I have not been able to determine whether in 4 days time they will then process a further 4, all the remaining requests or only 1. All that is certain, is it will take longer than normal to extract sums greater than £40k from your account.
2. You can request to close your account. In this case, they will transfer the total of the account by BACS transfer to your linked account. Closing the account can take up to 7 days.
3. By special request, and at their discretion, they can arrange CHAPS transfers to your linked account, providing it is not to close the account. I have not been able to determine the process for achieving a CHAPS transfer through ICICI. This option may not be available in the future and is unknown to most ICICI employees.0 -
I have now been able to obtain a CHAPS transfer of most of my funds from ICICI. The process could not be simpler. Having logged into my account, I was able to send an e-mail to them asking for a CHAPS transfer to my linked account on a specific day. The transaction took place without a hitch, despite my reservations.
Apart from the possibility that they may withdraw CHAPS as a facility in the future, I have been happy with the service from ICICI.0 -
Give ICICI a wide berth. Yes, deposits are covered by the FSA scheme up to the relevant limits, but one of the T&Cs if I remember correctly is that in any dispute as to what your balance is, then ICICI's records shall be deemed correct. Given the huge hassle that I and many others have had with them - including the displayed balance not being correct- I simply would place no confidence in them at all.0
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Thats not good. I'm in the process of putting about 30K into them since the Cahoot account rate dropped. I've sent them a question about transfers over 10K. The response was positive, they are planning to offer a facility to be able to do this soon. I would give you the exact details but I can't log into my ICICI account to retrieve the message. This must be the 4th time I've tried to log in on an evening and I can't get on it. It just says host not available, please try after some time. Whoever heard of a bank whose internet banking facility was down so much?? Its worrying.0
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I have no concerns over dealing with ICICI, providing you are dealing with amounts less than £40k or for which you will not require access to greater values quickly. It sounds like they may be planning to provide CHAPS facilities formally. If so, it would take my only reservation away.0
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