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£500 scooter bought on ebay - broke down after 8 days
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the other thing to remember is 500 miles on a moped is a lot more in terms of wear than a car, the average moped has a very low average mileage compared to a car of the same age0
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It makes no difference if he is a trader or not (in this example) I believe you could get a court to believe he is a trader, if he sells more than 3 a year. However, this is a 2nd hand used old vehicle sold without warranty. The vehicle drove well for 200 miles and then developed a fuel blockage (allegedly). A very real risk of older vehicles is that they develop faults. When you buy a used vehicle without warranty you take on those risks even from a trader.
Best thing to do is to ask seller nicely if he can think of any reason this happened - maybe he did some work on the fuel system which could help you to narrow down the problem, and if he could possibly have a look at it for you to fix for free or at a reduced cost.
Failing that if you have any mechanical logic/knowledge, buy a haynes manual and try to fix it.
Failing that pay for it to be fixed.
The reason i talk about "being a trader" is that i believe this results in an implied warranty in that it has to be fit for purpose and the courts have previously decided any fault manifesting in the first 3 months was likely to have been present when the vehicle was sold and therefore he sold a faulty product.0 -
But this wouldn't be the case here if it is a fuel blockage, especially not if the scooter has run out of fuel at any point. A fuel blockage isn't a fault. Catastrophic engine failure is a fault. The collapse of a suspension unit could be a fault. Muck getting sucked into a fuel line is a natural risk of owning a vehicle.
Just out of interest, what sort of scooter is it? If it's one of those little 50cc Chinese hairdryers, then they really aren't that much hassle to work on. The only real problem can sometimes be sourcing the parts.Fight Crime : Shoot Back.
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Only if trader could show that you put the dirty fuel into the tank, otherwise its a fault. They sold a vehicle with a dirty tank0
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All vehicles are likely to have dirt in their tanks, especially second hand. Also, if you purchase at a low price, you cannot expect the vehicle to be perfect.Fight Crime : Shoot Back.
It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without being seduced by it.
Support your local First Response Group, you might need us one day.0 -
The reason i talk about "being a trader" is that i believe this results in an implied warranty in that it has to be fit for purpose and the courts have previously decided any fault manifesting in the first 3 months was likely to have been present when the vehicle was sold and therefore he sold a faulty product.
Have you read Thain v Anniesland ?
AlsoIn general, however, motor vehicles which are defective will not be merchantable if the performance of the car is prejudiced, the defect cannot be easily remedied or repair will be expensive or take some time to perform: Bernstein v. Pamson Motors ( Golders Green) Ltd.4 applying the leading case of Bartlett v. Sidney Marcus.45
Where the vehicle is second hand the traditional view of protection available to the consumer has been far from generous. In Bartlett v. Sidney Marcus, Denning M.R. indicated that a vehicle is merchantable if it is in usable condition even if not perfect. The standard has risen in relation to "exclusive" or prestige models, following Shine v. General Guarantee Corporation46 and in a recent Northern Ireland case the Denning M.R. test was denied a literal application. Carswell J., in Lutton v. Saville Tractors Ltd.47 held in favour of the purchaser of a three year old Ford Escort XR3 who found the vehicle unsatisfactory and although the defects were minor, performance was clearly affected. Given the age, the price paid, the model involved, and the low mileage, the buyer could expect a better vehicle than that provided, particularly when given an express warranty in relation to the vehicle. Carswell J. indicated that if the vehicle was an older model, with higher mileage, sold at a lower price and did not create expectations of high performance, defects of the kind detected would not have rendered it unmerchantable. On the test of merchantable quality Carswell J. indicated that the Denning M.R. test in Bartlett v. Sidney Marcus
"is not universally valid in sales of second hand cars, nor would Lord Denning have intended it to be. At the end of the day a decision whether a car is of merchantable quality is a matter of fact and degree, and it is essential to take account of the factors specified in the statutory definition.''48
The merchantable quality test can still produce some surprising results, as the case of Harlington Ltd. v. Hull Fine Art Ltd.49 shows. A painting, wrongly thought to be by a particular German expressionist was sold for £6,000. When it was discovered to be a forgery the purchaser sought rescission as it was of a much lower value. The Court of Appeal, by a majority, held the painting still to be merchantable, mainly because the work could still be appreciated in an aesthetic sense even though its value was between £50 and £ 100.
I know the Sale of Goods now says "satisfactory" not "merchantable" but we cannot ignore these previous cases.0 -
You wouldn't have covered 500 miles if the blockage was present at point of sale. Not that it would matter if it was unless it came with a warranty - which I guess it ddn't.
As a gesture of goodwill, the seller may offer some assistance but is not oblliged to do so.
GGThere are 10 types of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those that don't.0 -
Buy your son a Haynes manual and a bag of spanners ..."Now to trolling as a concept. .... Personally, I've always found it a little sad that people choose to spend such a large proportion of their lives in this way but they do, and we have to deal with it." - MSE Forum Manager 6th July 20100
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Most scooters do not clock up 500 miles in a year.0
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Another vote for buying your son a Haynes manual and some basic tools.
Thanks to owning a cr*p moped and several even cr*ppier cars (together with their Haynes) in my youth I've only ever been stranded on a car/bike twice in 30 years - it's a great education!Some days you're the dog..... most days you're the tree!0
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