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Pauline McColl (spelling?) did a small piece about this story on the Simon Mayo program BBC Radio 5 about 1.05pm.
From memory she said
Total have employed a contractor which then arranged a bid process, therefore Total not directly involved. The Italian sub-contractors bid for the work against 7 others. 5 of these British companies. The contract is specialist and must be completed within short deadline. They won the contract on the back of quality previous work and having a fully trained workforce all ready to go, no training needed.
This is obviously one side of the story.
I think the unions and workers are worried about a possible dilution of the pay scales and agreements built up over the years and a more general spectre of unemployment.0 -
either way, if GB says once more that he is doing everything in his power to help us (while totally ignoring us)I will personally go down there and throttle him!0
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Of course that method of bidding is quite wrong. There should only be one British Unionised firm able to tender. The firm will submit a very high bid, and the company held to ransom by the threat of immediate strike action will be forced to pay. There will be some hidden extras to go in the Union leaders and various shop stewards pockets. The job will be done poorly and be delivered late.How the bids worked
That's what we need to make Britain great again.0 -
It's time to bring all the ex pats home, shut the Channel Tunnel and the airports and pull up the shutters. British Recession for British ex-workers is our new battle cry. No more trade with Johnny foreigner. Buy British, sell British, and er. thats it.
I for one will only be watching British made films and television, only watching the local news, and listening to home grown music. Eating British food, and definitely not working for multi national companies anymore.
Under extreme circumstances I will agree to trade with the Welsh, and possibly the Scots. But that's it.
I do hope those Union leaders, and their colleagues will not be holidaying abroad this year and taking our hard earned British pounds out of the country.
People are fearful for there Jobs,Rationality can be marginalised in such circumstances, Many of these men will have Mortgages & famililies to support & may be out of employment at some point in the not too distant future, Why should they not fight to give themselves a chance of what work may be available..
Whatever our opinions its hardly a subject matter for you to make smug condescending comments about .. .. But as I have said in another Thread if YOU were directly affected by unemployment you may have a slightly different perspective & be less inclined to take the P1ss out of them !
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People are fearful for there Jobs,Rationality can be marginalised in such circumstances, Many of these men will have Mortgages & famililies to support & may be out of employment at some point in the not too distant future, Why should they not fight to give themselves a chance of what work may be available..
Whatever our opinions its hardly a subject matter for you to make smug condescending comments about .. .. But as I have said in another Thread if YOU were directly affected by unemployment you may have a slightly different perspective & be less inclined to take the P1ss out of them !
There's never an excuse to abandon rationality, decency or people's rights under law. As for 'fighting to give themselves a chance', there are plenty of opportunities out there for people who are really willing to adapt for them - just as there was in every other economic downturn. What those who are 'fighting' want is to have jobs given to them on a plate without their having to be competitive. And before you jump on me too, I'd like to point out that I do 'practice what I preach': I am currently unemployed, but refuse to go mouthing off about other people or claiming that they're stealing my work. If they're better for jobs than I am then they absolutely deserve to get them, and it's my responsibility to catch up.
Incidentally, why do you talk about the "men" having mortgages and families? Is society really so behind the times that after forty years of equality and discrimination legislation you still assume women don't deserve a thought?0 -
And to repeat what I have also said previously.Whatever our opinions its hardly a subject matter for you to make smug condescending comments about .. .. But as I have said in another Thread if YOU were directly affected by unemployment you may have a slightly different perspective & be less inclined to take the P1ss out of them !
I make no apologies for the style of my post. It amuses me to attempt to make a satirical comment in order to get a point across without being dull. If I just stated my point of view that would be too boring for words. I might as well go back to watching TV.
Second point - if I were directly affected by unemployment. Well fortunately I am currently working. Not a day goes by that I don't consider the possibility of budget cuts, of someone being able to do my 'job' cheaper, or better, or simply my face no longer fitting. I am not employed as such, I offer a service. So very much at the sharp end when companies looking to save money. No notice period or redundancy for me my friend.
Do I honestly think that if the company chose to employ foreign workers over me that standing at the end of the road with some mates and a banner would make a scrap of difference? No of course not. Do I think they should not be allowed to, and should keep my job open for me for ever? Get real.
Anyway, enough honesty and straight talk from me. Back to [strike]taking the p1ss [/strike]subverting arguments by using satire as a tool.0 -
As I posted months ago. Not long before the riots kick off . Simple as....I came in to this world with nothing and I've still got most of it left. :rolleyes:0
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For once I can say this is not GB's fault, or a broken promise. I do sympathise with those who have lost jobs and feel injustice because of these Italian workers. But this is the way the economy works now. We can't sign up to free market trade and free movement of workers, then back out when we don't like the conditions anymore.I'll have some cheese please, bob.0
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bo_drinker wrote: »As I posted months ago. Not long before the riots kick off . Simple as....
If it was "months ago", how long is "not long"?0 -
Does anyone believe that any other EU Country would do this? Even down to providing floating accomodation off the coast, presumably minimising the benefits to the local economy. And are they liable for UK tax? If this had happened anywhere else in the EU, there would have been protests.
In my humble opinion, the off-shoring of jobs, and importing cheap labour from Eastern Europe has caused resentment for some years, and with recession, and a 'cause celebre', the pent-up anger has a focus. The UK economy has been managed for too long just looking at profits, and not people (Or even hard-working families), and this is the result.0
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