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  • MSE_Andrea wrote: »
    Will it help if I merge the "splinter" thread into this one or would it confuse things for everyone?


    Hi Andrea

    I definitely think that would be helpful if you wouldn't mind doing that,

    cheers

    Tony
  • Poj wrote: »
    If you could just copy over the bits that weren't about the thread disappearing it would be useful. Otherwise if it has to be everything copied over, it could get confusing.


    good point POJ...my brain really is frazzled!
  • Looks like we might have scored a few small blows in the media yesterday (welldone to all involved). However, media interest is very short lived and RBS will be banking on that (literally). Now is the time to ratchet things up a notch. Here are some suggestions:

    1. Look for links to other forums and websites discussing similar issues and post this thread link and the DECAMP links with explanations.

    2. Keep the letters/emails to MPs and press flowing.

    3. Get the DECAMP link onto other banks forums. Particularly those that have already failed to pass on cuts or have said this is not their intent.

    This issue goes beyond the OA (as far as DECAMP is concerned anyway). Keep turning the screw people!
  • From Telegraph article today

    Link http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/interestrates/3551399/Banks-defy-Gordon-Brown-by-failing-to-pass-on-lowest-interest-rates-in-50-years.html

    Banks will next week be summoned to a meeting at the Treasury to discuss their lending practices. Treasury officials are expected to start a number of detailed studies looking at the rates and fees charged by banks for a number of popular mortgages – including tracker deals.

    Treasury officials have privately indicated that they will not hesitate to intervene if they discover that banks are behaving inappropriately.

    Discussions with the banks are being led by Lady Vadera, a former aide to Gordon Brown who is now a business minister. The Government has begun considering contingency plans to nationalise the banking system if lending conditions do not improve soon.

    Could it be if we maintain the pressure, keep alerting MP's etc that the OneAccount/RBS and Natwest Offsets would be considered in detail

    Also worth highlighting to Shriti Vadera if anybody knows her contact details.

  • Just to remind everyone:
    0.25% cut not passed on in April.
    0.25% increase, out of the blue in July.
    0.5% not passed on after the BofE Nov 1.5% cut.
    :mad:

    Don't forget there was a 0.5% drop before the 1.5% BOE cut and that was also never passed on
  • malocao
    malocao Posts: 50 Forumite
    Don't forget there was a 0.5% drop before the 1.5% BOE cut and that was also never passed on

    Sorry BB, but that's not correct - we got a 0.5% reduction on 3rd Nov.

    Re the other two 0.25%s earlier in 2008 - if we compare against Bank of England rate then you're quite right; and longer-standing OA customers have a legitimate gripe about that, because they had a promise to track BoE, which wasn't followed in those two instances.

    However, OA's cost of borrowing money is not BoE; it's more like 3-month LIBOR. If you compare their rate against that, it was quite consistent until 7th Nov, when LIBOR started to chase down BoE.

    I joined OA this year, and I didn't get a promise to track BoE; personally, I'm "only" dissatisfied about the extra 0.5% margin which they're making after 1st Dec. But that's quite bad enough for me.

    Regards
  • malocao wrote: »
    Sorry BB, but that's not correct - we got a 0.5% reduction on 3rd Nov.

    Sorry, must have missed that one
  • :money: Joe Flat 4
    Islington
    London
    07000 000000
    [EMAIL="joe@xxxxxxxxx.co.uk"]joe@xxxxxxxxx.co.uk[/EMAIL]
    Thursday, 04 December 2008

    Chief Executive Officer:
    The One account
    Woodland Place
    Pinetrees Road
    Norwich
    NR7 9EJ

    Re Mortgage Account Number:

    Dear Sir/Madam,

    I recently took a mortgage out with the One Account/RBS for £285,000. On the keyfacts document provided at the time of taking out this mortgage it names the mortgage lender as “RBS Intermediary Partners The One Account of Royal Bank of Scotland”.

    In addition the keyfacts document states I am on a 0.56% discount to the variable rate which as at 1st Feb 2008 was 7.05%. After 2 years this will revert to the RBS Intermediary Partners The One Account’s Standard Variable Rate, (7.05% as at 1st Feb 2008) for the remaining term of the mortgage.

    I will use the term “One Account” and RBS interchangeably in my letter as the “One Account” is listed as one of the RBS brands on your website in the “about us” section in the same way that NatWest is.

    Looking on the RBS website at a recent press release it is quite clear that the failed institution now majority owned by the tax payer has cut is standard variable rate by 1.5% for all RBS and Natwest customers, yet I have only seen a 1% drop in my mortgage payments effective December 1st.
    :money:
    http://www.rbs.com/media03.asp?id=MEDIA_CENTRE/PRESS_RELEASES/2008/NOVEMBER/11_RATE
    NatWest and RBS cut its Standard Variable Rate by a full 1.5 per cent

    7th November 2008:

    “NatWest and RBS today announce that its Standard Variable Rate mortgages will be cut by 1.50 per cent from 6.69 per cent to 5.19 per cent. The reduction follows a review following the Bank of England's Monetary Policy Committee (MPC) decision to cut rates by 1.50 per cent yesterday and today's movement in LIBOR. The rate change is effective from 1 December 2008 for existing customers.”
    :money:
    RBS were recently named and shamed in the Guardian:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/dec/04/rbs-one-mortgages-first-time-buyers#history-byline

    “One of Royal Bank of Scotland's mortgage divisions has come under fire after refusing to pass on last month's interest rate cut in full, despite having "promised" to follow Bank of England base rate moves.

    The decision has prompted an outcry among customers.”

    “RBS and NatWest last month said standard variable rate (SVR) mortgages would be cut by the "full 1.5%" after the Bank of England base rate was cut from 4.5% to 3% on November 6. But One account customers have been told they are only getting a one percentage point cut.”

    “The Guardian has obtained a copy of a letter sent out by the division in May 2001, which states: "Our promise is that we'll follow the base rate and pass the benefits of interest rate cuts on to our customers straightaway."

    “Tony Wood, the former marketing director of Virgin Direct who is a One account customer, said RBS's behaviour was "a betrayal of all the principles we built the One account on in the first place". He added: "It's interesting to see how, as a majority taxpayer-owned business, they can even contemplate going back on such clear-cut promises, which was one of the main reasons for customers signing up in the first place. It makes particularly interesting reading in the context of the Financial Services Authority's 'treating customers fairly' rules."

    Dozens of disgruntled mortgage holders have joined the Facebook group, said Wood, who now works as a brand and communications consultant.

    RBS's decision to treat One account customers differently is potentially embarrassing because, when the division was half-owned by Virgin it made great play of how it passed on every rate cut to customers in full within 24 hours of each Bank of England announcement. In 1999, the then managing director of Virgin One, as it was called, said: "We have passed on every rate cut in full on the same day because that is how our customers expect to be treated - fairly and honestly."
    :money:
    Clearly there has been some mistake as to why the One Account have not passed this rate cut in full to all customers. I am therefore writing to you in anticipation of receiving a further 0.5% cut backdated to 1st December.

    I also expect the 1% cut in base rate to 2% will also be passed on to all customers effective 1st January.

    In an effort to assist your other 170,000 customers I am posting this letter on www.moneysavingexpert.com where there is a forum dedicated to customers who have been overcharged by the One Account/RBS which been viewed by nearly 50,000 internet users with 520 posts to date. I am sure you will appreciate reading further letters from your affected customers. I will also be informing a number of other interested parties.

    I urge Labour MPs cc’ed to resolve this matter in your state controlled bank as a matter of urgency otherwise I anticipate that the Conservative party will pick up on this matter and use it to highlight your failure to assist tax payers at this difficult time.

    As for Tesco I urge you to reconsider your financial relationship with theis failed bank, especially in light of this example of the customer service. Do you want to risk Tesco becoming tainted by association?

    Yours sincerely,

    Joe
  • Parliamentry
    Chancellor Alistair Darling, House of Commons, London, SW1A 0AA
    Prime Minister Gordon Brown 10 Downing Street, London, SW1A 2AA
    Rt. Hon. David Cameroon MP, House of Commons, London, SW1A 0AA
    Rt. Hon. George Osborne MP, House of Commons, London, SW1A 0AA
    Rt. Hon. Jeremy Corbyn MP, House of Commons, London, SW1A 0AA

    Regulatory
    The Financial Ombudsman Service, South Quay Plaza, 183 Marsh Wall, London E14 9SR
    The Financial Services Authority, 25 The North Colonnade, Canary Wharf, London E14 5HS

    RBS Board
    Sir Tom McKillop, RBS Chairman, 36 St Andrews Square, Edinburgh, EH2 2YB
    Stephen Hester, Group Chief Executive RBS, 36 St Andrews Square, Edinburgh, EH2 2YB
    Guy Whittaker, Group Finance Director & Internal Audit RBS, 36 St Andrews Square, Edinburgh, EH2 2YB
    Miller McLean, Legal and Compliance RBS, 36 St Andrews Square, Edinburgh, EH2 2YB

    Tesco
    Sir Terry Leahy, Tesco CEO, Tesco House Delamare Rd Cheshunt Hertfordshire EN8 9SL

    RBS Non-Execs
    Colin Buchan, RBS Non Exec, 36 St Andrews Square, Edinburgh, EH2 2YB
    Jim Currie, RBS Non Exec, 36 St Andrews Square, Edinburgh, EH2 2YB
    Lawrence Fish, RBS Non Exec, 36 St Andrews Square, Edinburgh, EH2 2YB
    Bill Friedrich, RBS Non Exec, 36 St Andrews Square, Edinburgh, EH2 2YB
    Archie Hunter, RBS Non Exec, 36 St Andrews Square, Edinburgh, EH2 2YB
    Charles 'Bud' Koch, RBS Non Exec, 36 St Andrews Square, Edinburgh, EH2 2YB
    Janis Kong, RBS Non Exec, 36 St Andrews Square, Edinburgh, EH2 2YB
    Joe MacHale, RBS Non Exec, 36 St Andrews Square, Edinburgh, EH2 2YB
    John McFarlane, RBS Non Exec, 36 St Andrews Square, Edinburgh, EH2 2YB
    Sir Steve Robson, RBS Non Exec, 36 St Andrews Square, Edinburgh, EH2 2YB
    Arthur (Art) Ryan, RBS Non Exec, 36 St Andrews Square, Edinburgh, EH2 2YB
    Bob Scott, RBS Non Exec, 36 St Andrews Square, Edinburgh, EH2 2YB
    Peter Sutherland, RBS Non Exec, 36 St Andrews Square, Edinburgh, EH2 2YB

    Press
    BBC Watchdog, MCG A6, Media Centre, Wood Lane, London W12 7TG.
    [EMAIL="letters@guardian.co.uk"]letters@guardian.co.uk[/EMAIL]
    [EMAIL="ian.pollock@bbc.co.uk"]ian.pollock@bbc.co.uk[/EMAIL]
    [EMAIL="Martin@moneysavingexpert.com"]Martin@moneysavingexpert.com[/EMAIL]
    [EMAIL="letters@dailymail.co.uk"]letters@dailymail.co.uk[/EMAIL]
    [EMAIL="news@dailymail.co.uk"]news@dailymail.co.uk[/EMAIL]
    [EMAIL="news.desk@express.co.uk"]news.desk@express.co.uk[/EMAIL]
    [EMAIL="web.help@express.co.uk"]web.help@express.co.uk[/EMAIL]
    [EMAIL="dtletters@telegraph.co.uk"]dtletters@telegraph.co.uk[/EMAIL]
    [EMAIL="fte.subs@ft.com"]fte.subs@ft.com[/EMAIL]
    [EMAIL="weekend.money@thetimes.co.uk"]weekend.money@thetimes.co.uk[/EMAIL]
    [EMAIL="business@thetimes.co.uk"]business@thetimes.co.uk[/EMAIL]
    [EMAIL="letters@thetimes.co.uk"]letters@thetimes.co.uk[/EMAIL]
    [EMAIL="letters@guardian.co.uk"]letters@guardian.co.uk[/EMAIL]
    [EMAIL="letters@observer.co.uk"]letters@observer.co.uk[/EMAIL]
    [EMAIL="talkback@the-sun.co.uk"]talkback@the-sun.co.uk[/EMAIL]
    [EMAIL="mirrornews@mirror.co.uk"]mirrornews@mirror.co.uk[/EMAIL]
  • Have just noticed that the Beeb have added RBS One account as a seperate entry on their list of banks and the changes to their SVRs - is this sinister?
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