Offset Mortgages -- the Numbers

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  • Voyager2002
    Voyager2002 Posts: 15,305 Forumite
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    Has anyone noticed the new mortgage from the Co-op? It allows you to put money into a "repayment fund" which is offset against the amount outstanding to reduce your interest, thus functioning like an offset mortgage. And the interest rate is lower than what I am currently paying -- it is a 'tracker' charging a premium on the Bank of England's minimum lending rate.

    Any good? I must admit I'm tempted.
  • swizzle_2
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    Can you help me out here, sorry, but I was never good at maths, although not bad at money saving.

    I have an offset mortgage, the payments/savings are classes as gross- so the term of the mortgage reduces-never the monthly amount payable. Which is what i want to pay it off asap.

    I have savings linked to the offset, but could also afford to pay more mortgage each month too. Am i better to pay double the mortgage payment each month?-or put the money in the savings account linked to the mortgage. Interest is calculated daily.

    I know that if I pay extra mortgage each month, that I will not have access to it-like i would if I put it in the savings account.

    I just want to pay it off and therfore pay as little interest as possible.
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  • BigG_5
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    swizzle wrote:
    I have savings linked to the offset, but could also afford to pay more mortgage each month too. Am i better to pay double the mortgage payment each month?-or put the money in the savings account linked to the mortgage. Interest is calculated daily.

    It doesn't make any difference.

    Repay some capital and you don't pay interest over the payment amount for the rest of the mortgage term

    Put it in an offset account and you don't pay interest over the savings amount for the rest of the mortgage term.
  • benjilloyd
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    I was just about to spout my particular circumstances in the hope that someone would help me figure out this black magic wickedness that is that formula, me being one of those thick people and all that.

    Then it occurred to me...

    Would anyone be willing to put that formula into an "easy to use" spreadsheet?

    In fact I would love to have a spreadsheet that allowed me to see, month-by-month my mortgage as a repayment and as an offset and also be able to see how my savings would change in both circumstances.

    Would anyone be willing to do this?

    I mean, I'm at the stage where I would actually pay someone to put together a spreadsheet that would help me make an informed decision.

    Anyone?
    Anyone?

    :-)
  • Joannaclaire
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    Ben, I think another moneysaver did up a couple of excel spreadsheets a few (or more) months back. You might need to trawl through the archives for a bit to find them though...
  • benjilloyd
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    Hmm, couldn't find it, I went through entire thread!
  • Joannaclaire
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    Just found it:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=115106

    Only snag is that the original poster's links to the spreadsheets don't work any more... maybe you could PM him if you're still keen on getting spreadsheets to compare repaymants/savings etc?
  • youreds
    youreds Posts: 304 Forumite
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    Just found it:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=115106

    Only snag is that the original poster's links to the spreadsheets don't work any more... maybe you could PM him if you're still keen on getting spreadsheets to compare repaymants/savings etc?

    I was that MSEr wot done the spreadsheets. For some reason I deleted them from my webspace & I've lost the originals :(

    It was a standard mortgage spreadsheet I found on the Microsoft Office website, which I adapted to include savings. For the life of me I can no longer find it on the MS website.

    EDIT... Just found the template on M$ website. Watch this space...

    Youreds!
  • benjilloyd
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    hehe awesome Youreds, i'll keep an eye out :-)
  • youreds
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    benjilloyd wrote:
    hehe awesome Youreds, i'll keep an eye out :-)

    OK the spreadsheet is now back, just the one this time:

    Click here

    Everything to the left in cream is the original MS spreadsheet which you can get here. Enter in the mortgage details here, remember to take into account any fees, either by adding them to the mortgage amount or deducting them from your savings.

    To the right with the nice blue colour is what I've added to compare savings, enter your figures in the yellow cells, I've done an example of a new £100,000 mortgage @ 4.79% over 23 years which is what I've just got with the Halifax, on the savings side we have £25000 @ 5.15% which ICICI are paying, with an additional £200 saved per month, remember to reduce the % rate if your interest is taxed (very important!).

    Column K is net interest, what you've paid - earned,
    column L is breakeven point, outstanding mortgage - savings.

    In this example after 2 years (the usual length of mortgage deals), net interest paid is £6853, breakeven point is down to £62,091.

    Now compare to an offset, disregard my blue bits for this, enter regular savings in the extra payments field & lump sum savings in the first extra payments cell. I used 4.94% which IF & YBS are doing, I deducted £700 to cover fees from the savings. This gave results of £7290 interest paid & a final balance of £63,016 (breakeven).

    Remember these are just examples, DO NOT take out a mortgage based on using just this spreadsheet, it's just to give you some ideas.

    Youreds!
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