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  • sdooley
    sdooley Posts: 918 Forumite
    Jill - each bid (which costs 50p) increases the incremental price of the thing being sold by 1p (or 2p, 5p, 10p, 20p depending on the item - the smaller the increase the greater the money they make out of the punters - so the things increasing by 20p are the tat like digital cameras while the things going up by 1p are the likes of laptops and iPhones). So it would in theory be 12,000 bids (£6,000) for something sold for £120 in 1p increments.
  • underlay_guru
    underlay_guru Posts: 1,025 Forumite
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    edited 10 July 2009 at 2:59PM
    Firstly, I'm not a prude...I gamble occasionally, but know the limits I must stick to.

    This really is an god-awful way to make money. Although its not officially classed as gambling, it is probably appreciated that people can get hooked on these 'auctions', easily spending beyond their means in no time. Some on here are comparing this method to be very similar to a reallife auction: NO CHANCE! If you bid for an item in a real-life auction and lose, you have not actually had a financial loss, have you?

    This is not dissimilar to putting a pound into a fruit machine: when the machine reaches a specific takings level, it will increase your chances of winning, but when the coin hoppas are low, you have no chance. Fruit machines are an extremely unfair gamble as the odds of winning are not constant, consistent or the same as the other machine next to it (As opposed to something like a casino game where, in theory, you can win over and over again)

    .....and fruit machines are known in the trade as the 'Cocaine of gambling'....very easy to find, use, and easy get hooked on forever....

    Would YOU be happy for your child to waste all their pocket money on these auctions? If minors are legally allowed to use these sites (Forgive me, I haven't checked), it can easily be a stepping stone to a life of gambling.

    I've also noticed that the OP's financial figures may be wrong......On the OP's Swoopo auction it costs 50p to bid the price up by 2p, meaning that the owners of Swoopo still pocket a collossal £25 for every £1 that the auction goes up.

    So is it a lottery? No. In a lottery, everyone makes an equal stake, and all have an equal chance of winning. In the Swoopo auctions you have a higher or lower chance of winning, depending on the amount of users watching that particular auction at that time....but you don't know how many people are watching at the same time as you, do you? In other words, my 50p bid has a much lesser chance of winning at 4pm than it has at 4am. Some users also use an application called 'BidButler' which is a 24 hour automated bidding system, (basically, the user sets his financial limit, and BidButler places bids for you when the timer is almost at zero, in an attempt to 'snatch the win') giving you virtually no chance if you are bidding manually.

    The inventors of this bidding system should hang their sorry heads in shame..Gambling? Not officially..Lottery? No. Dishonest? In my opinion, yes.
    Profit=sanity
    Turnover=vanity
    Greed=inhumanity:dance:
  • MothballsWallet
    MothballsWallet Posts: 15,863 Forumite
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    All of this type of site should be regulated - by the UN, not by a lame-wristed, waste-of-space, UK regulator who can't do their job properly (Ofcom, I'm looking squarely in your direction).
  • underlay_guru
    underlay_guru Posts: 1,025 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture Combo Breaker
    All of this type of site should be regulated - by the UN, not by a lame-wristed, waste-of-space, UK regulator who can't do their job properly (Ofcom, I'm looking squarely in your direction).

    They will be hammered down eventually. Remember the influx of 'Quiz TV' channels around 2 years ago? They popped up like wildfire, charging £1 an entry for a very slim chance of actually getting through to solve the puzzle. A host of new rules came into play which the channels had to adhere to (including having to reveal their call volumes etc) and within 6 months, most of them were off air.

    To my knowledge, the only one surviving now is on channel 5 on friday and saturday nights between midnight and 5am....a blatant attempt to cash in on drunk people who are bored with their phones!
    Profit=sanity
    Turnover=vanity
    Greed=inhumanity:dance:
  • Is it gambling?
    In a true auction, you purchase an item by making the best offer for it at the time. It remains a simple purchase.
    On Swoopo, you can only stay in the game by raising your stake. Therefore, in all simplicity, you are gambling your money in the hope of winning a bargain. If you fold, you lose your stake. So you may win, but you may lose. Like in a game of poker, there is but one winner for each hand. All the others lose.

    There is a huge random element too.

    The win is not in fact related to your spend: you may lose despite having spent more money than anyone else if you are outbid by a random newcomer with a single bid.
    Unlike a game of poker when all players begin a hand at the same time, anyone can join in at anytime during a “hand” on Swoopo, without having to match existing players’ stake. So you can spend £1000, betting that you will get the item for an additional £200, and be outbid by a newcomer who spends 50p on a single £200.01 bid.

    So...
    It is not an auction, as the top spender is not at all guaranteed to win the item.
    You cannot predict when a newcomer will outbid you.
    You are paying money on the off chance that you might get a bargain that appears too good to be true, or possibly on a “dead cert”...
    The probability that you will lose your money is higher, I am quite certain , than that of actually winning the item.
    Furthermore, a player who has already spent a large amount on a bid is likely to keep playing beyond reasonable limits because it is surely better to get the item at any price than to simply lose the money. The more you play, the more you have a chance of winning, surely...

    Smells like gambling to me...

    Reminds me of the coin slots at the funfair, where a mass of coins teeters on the brink of the pay out hopper. It’s all yours if you pay enough to push the coins far enough. And visibly all it needs for you to win is a single 10p coin. Or maybe just another one. You end up spending a tenner, and each coin almost gets there but nothing happens. Then a kid comes along, puts 10p in and tinglelingaling scoops the lot! No, not the lot... a handful. But most of the cash goes to the owner of the machine of course.


    I’m watching a penny auction item valued at £1,735.99, that has ended with a winning bid of £335.43. The winner has indeed got a bargain, as they only spent £218
    on 436 bids, so a total of £563.43, saving £1182.56 on the list price.
    Sounds great.
    But there were 33 543 bids at 50p each. That means that “bidders”, or players, payed and lost a staggering combined total of almost £16 800 for this item, just for a chance at getting a bargain.

    I do think that Swoopo now offer the option of using your losing bid payments as part payment for the full price item, so if you have spent a lot, then it could be worth topping this up and actually buying something. But then again, you could be tempted to purchase an item beyond your means rather than just cut your losses and hope for another bargain...


    I mean really! Imagine the situation in a high street auction room/ store operating on a similar basis.
    You walk in and start bidding on a new laptop (well stocked by the store).
    There is one other bidder.
    You have a max budget of £510, say, and end up the highest bidder, having bid £10.00 at a cost of £500 (at 50p per penny bid). You have paid that money to the store. Then a new customer walks in and sees this great laptop he can get for £10.01 plus a 50p bid. He wins, takes the laptop, you go home with nothing and the store attendant just picks another one of the shelf and starts again.
    It’s insane! I love it.


    I do fancy a flutter though... I could get a bargain.
  • They will be hammered down eventually. Remember the influx of 'Quiz TV' channels around 2 years ago? They popped up like wildfire, charging £1 an entry for a very slim chance of actually getting through to solve the puzzle. A host of new rules came into play which the channels had to adhere to (including having to reveal their call volumes etc) and within 6 months, most of them were off air.

    To my knowledge, the only one surviving now is on channel 5 on friday and saturday nights between midnight and 5am....a blatant attempt to cash in on drunk people who are bored with their phones!
    ITV1's got "The Zone", and Five's now got "SuperCasino", which also crops up on "Channel One" (Freeview channel 20)...

    Says it all really, doesn't it?
  • paddyrg
    paddyrg Posts: 13,543 Forumite
    ITV1's got "The Zone", and Five's now got "SuperCasino", which also crops up on "Channel One" (Freeview channel 20)...

    Says it all really, doesn't it?

    I think the difference is that that's roulette - an honest gamble.

    The really bad ones were "10 things beginning with "A"" costing you a quid to enter - a few easy words ("Apple", etc for easy prizes), and then mostly "autoschediastical", etc., - words you'll never guess.
    It was Mr Winsor who alerted Ofcom to the recently highlighted case on ITV Play which asked viewers to name 'things you would find in a lady's handbag'. The answers included 'Rawlplugs' and 'balaclava'. When he complained to ITV, he was allegedly told the answer was reasonable 'because the handbag in question may have belonged to a decorator'.
    Source... http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/bargains-and-rip-offs/tv-quiz-show-swindle/article.html?in_article_id=416805&in_page_id=509
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