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Half of new jobs are created by the state
stueyhants
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http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article7009695.ece
NEARLY three-fifths of the growth in jobs under Labour during a decade in power was directly or indirectly created by the state, new research shows.
Across the country as a whole, it says 57% of new jobs created during the period 1997-2007 were state or “para-state” — dependent on government spending .
This figure is shocking, I suppose it explains where all the stealth taxes have been going
NEARLY three-fifths of the growth in jobs under Labour during a decade in power was directly or indirectly created by the state, new research shows.
Across the country as a whole, it says 57% of new jobs created during the period 1997-2007 were state or “para-state” — dependent on government spending .
This figure is shocking, I suppose it explains where all the stealth taxes have been going
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The Labour party were elected on a manifesto to expand the state and state provision of services so it is not a major surprise that state sponsored jobs have increased.
To an extent the financial sector provided huge revenues for the government but little in the way of employment(no-one in the city of London lives in West Midlands...) So the government took the revenue from finance and used it to expand the public sector.0 -
I reckon as the divide between rich and poor.....or indeed, divide between those working and those not working gets larger and larger, as it inevitably will with the price of stuff we need to live going up and up, the public sector will simply keep expanding to service the needs of the "poor".
The "client base" of the public sector just keeps on growing. Along with that, so does the need for more people to service that client base.0 -
Radiantsoul wrote: »The Labour party were elected on a manifesto to expand the state and state provision of services so it is not a major surprise that state sponsored jobs have increased.
To an extent the financial sector provided huge revenues for the government but little in the way of employment(no-one in the city of London lives in West Midlands...) So the government took the revenue from finance and used it to expand the public sector.
This gives a nice short term help for an area but when tax revenues fall (like they have done) and the financial sector doesn't bring in as much money your going to have to cut back in those areas. Whereas creating real wealth producing industries in those areas is a much better long term strategy.
I don't think the conservatives would have been much better, perhaps its the short term political planning (5 year elections) which stops long term thinking.0 -
The real problem is the huge swathe of poorly educated/ illiterate, low aspiring and genuinely unemployable people. These people pose a huge risk to the economy as a whole and need to be brought back into the working world.
Labour has shown they cannot deal with the problem and I suspect the Tories just don't understand the nature of the problem.
We really are in trouble.0 -
stueyhants wrote: »This gives a nice short term help for an area but when tax revenues fall (like they have done) and the financial sector doesn't bring in as much money your going to have to cut back in those areas. Whereas creating real wealth producing industries in those areas is a much better long term strategy.
I don't think the conservatives would have been much better, perhaps its the short term political planning (5 year elections) which stops long term thinking.
I think all governments would have been greatful to receive the bounty generated by financial services which seemed to grow and grow. With hindsight it is easy to see that there were risks, but it is interesting that few oil producers have been able to diversify their economies despite the fact that really is a finite resource. Perhaps the same is true for the UK with financial services. If nothing else it would have bid up the exchange rate and hurt other exporters. But also to close down suck a profitable and dynamic sector would never have worked.
It depends on which Tories got in. Had it been Redwood/early Portillo/Hague/IDS then I would have expected a smaller public sector and tax cuts. The outcome might well have been higher private employment - but much in non-tradable sectors and closely related to government expenditure(private healthcare, nursing, etc). Had it been the more Michael Howard then as they had promised to mirror most of Labour spending bar about £10billion then we would be in exactly the same place.
I think the UK system is preferable to the US one which seems utterly paralysed by political cycles. But a beefed up second chamber which actually debates financial issues properly and perhaps has some method of being less politcal influence might help. I can imagine allowing them to serve for one eight year term and thereafter being debarred from parliament, with a pension large enough to keep them from working again might help. But it won't happen.0 -
The real problem is the huge swathe of poorly educated/ illiterate, low aspiring and genuinely unemployable people. These people pose a huge risk to the economy as a whole and need to be brought back into the working world.
Labour has shown they cannot deal with the problem and I suspect the Tories just don't understand the nature of the problem.
We really are in trouble.
There have always been such people though. And I suspect the problem is less than it used to be.
I think there is something in a comment that Ken Livingstone made that he has never been served coffee in London by someone with an English accent has something to it though.0 -
Radiantsoul wrote: »There have always been such people though. And I suspect the problem is less than it used to be.
I think there is something in a comment that Ken Livingstone made that he has never been served coffee in London by someone with an English accent has something to it though.
The issue is that the problem is growing.
I don't think I've ever been served a coffee by an native English speaker (American's not counted!) but I'm not a big fan off take away hot drinks.
Its time for radical ideas.0 -
The issue is that the problem is growing.
I don't think I've ever been served a coffee by an native English speaker (American's not counted!) but I'm not a big fan off take away hot drinks.
Its time for radical ideas.
I don't really believe it is growing, I think there are always going to be people who are only capable of generating limited economic value as they lack skills, personality, have circumstances that make it difficult to actually get to work,etc. And I am not sure simply blaming education is the answer either - if nothing else any change is on a 10 year plus leadtime.
It seems to me these people need to be employed in non-tradeable sectors of the economy and will probably require substantial subsidies. The rationale is probably that the social cost of a lifetime of unemployment exceed the cost of the subsidy. But there are huge deadweight costs in any such sceme.0 -
it's growing in certain areasThe issue is that the problem is growing.
it's the same issue when the coal mines, steel factories, ship yards and cotton mills where closed down - people only had specific skills and where not "agile" enough or had the desired social mobility to move onto other jobs.
it's been there since the 80s0 -
Golden Brown is borrowing money to employ paper pushers to have the country jumping with joy as unemployment drops a few thousand and vote Labour.0
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