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geordie_joe wrote: »No my arguement is based on being a Kleeneze Agent. And on talking to other ex-agents.
The simple fact is kleeneze stuff is way over priced and people DO NOT continue to buy from it.
The same thing happens, you quickly run out of customers.
Ok I see no point in going further, if you really have been a Kleeneze agent you know full well what your saying is not true.0 -
Ok I see no point in going further, if you really have been a Kleeneze agent you know full well what your saying is not true.
On the other hand, I was a real kleeneze agent and I do know what I am saying is true. The only problem is you can't defend your end.
While I am here, can you post the costs of the things you have to buy from Kleeneze, new catalogues, order forms, bags etc.?
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I totally agree with GJ.
I recently moved to a new area and ordered an item from Kleeneze, only to find it £10..yes TEN POUNDS cheaper at a shop only minutes away from me. Thats a HUGE difference.
They really would have to only deliver to people who live 'out in the sticks' who have no access to local shops, to make any money.
I was also subject to the 'hard sell' after signing upto a website such as the OPs.
I'll never buy from Kleeneze again"The only time money comes before work is in the dictionary"0 -
geordie_joe wrote: »On the other hand, I was a real kleeneze agent and I do know what I am saying is true. The only problem is you can't defend your end.
While I am here, can you post the costs of the things you have to buy from Kleeneze, new catalogues, order forms, bags etc.?
Really? Ok lets set up a bet, lets make it a big bet say £10,000 get it all drawn up legally and then do a test on your claim about lack of return orders.
Are you up for that?
Out of curiosity as you were a Kleeneze agent, why do you think the whole system of delivering catalogues is designed to stop delivering to all the houses except the ones that have previously ordered? Kind of the opposite of what it should be if your statement were true. Should stop delivering to houses that had previously ordered as they would not be ordering again.
But hey it's worth the hassle of setting up a bet like this as it will be a very easy £10,000 for me.
As to your question about costs, it's a silly question for a host of reasons. The answer depends on how much an individual wants to do and has to be offset against income. For instance if you asked me how much I have to spend in advertising in my regular job. I could tell you about £900 a month. Howver what does that mean? If I make a gross income of 1000 a month that figure is ridiculous. If however I make 10,000 a month then it's very reasonable.
I will however answer your question about costs. £75 is the minimum investment and usually it's £125, our downline don't pay for any more books as we give them free, up until there income reaches a decent level. So if I have to give an answer it is £125 which is returnable within 14 day's if you decide you don't like it.
Now about that bet, are you up for it, because we both know that what your claiming is complete rubbish.0 -
I totally agree with GJ.
I recently moved to a new area and ordered an item from Kleeneze, only to find it £10..yes TEN POUNDS cheaper at a shop only minutes away from me. Thats a HUGE difference.
They really would have to only deliver to people who live 'out in the sticks' who have no access to local shops, to make any money.
I was also subject to the 'hard sell' after signing upto a website such as the OPs.
I'll never buy from Kleeneze again
Wierdly I bought something from Tesco direct and then saw it £9 cheaper, although I will still buy from Tesco direct.
However your correct Kleeneze on the whole is not the place to buy from if your buying on price. It does have loads of great stuff that's difficult to find in the stores and often that you might never have seen anywhere. However if it carries an item that is also in your local discount store it's almost certainly cheaper in the store. If you believe this fact means that Kleeneze doesn't get repeat customers then your very wrong. Most Kleeneze distributors that have been with the company any length of time deliver virtually 100% of their catalogues to existing cutomers.0 -
I've been thinking about how we could fairly set up the bet. We take an area of say 800 houses and drop books and keep records of all orders, we do this 5 times. We now have houses that have ordered and houses that have not over 5 drops. The 6th drop is the bet. I bet that the vast majority of orders from the 6th drop will be from houses that have ordered in the previous 5 drops.
In fact we don't need to start a new area we can do it on an established area. This would speed it up greatly. I can show you a list of the customers that buy regularily from Kleeneze. ( you can easily verify this ) We then drop books in the whole area and see if the average order from regular customers is higher than the average order from non customers. It's a no brainer but clearly you are arguing the the opposite should happen.0 -
Surprise Surprise geordie joe has not come back to my challenge, despite replying to other threads, this one he has avoided.
The reason is simple not only are his claims utter rubbish but he full well knows they are. He say's he has been a Kleeneze distributer and therefore he knows full well that we get many repeat customers and the business is built on repeat customers. What then is his motive to pretend that once people have ordered you need to find new customers because they won't order again?
Whatever his motive it is certainly not a good one.0 -
Surprise Surprise geordie joe has not come back to my challenge, despite replying to other threads, this one he has avoided.
Just because I have been busy with other things it doesn't mean I am avoiding this one. it just means I prioritise and this one is not as important as the others.The reason is simple not only are his claims utter rubbish but he full well knows they are.
Nope, the reason is arguing about Kleeneze is not as important to me as the other things I have been doing.He say's he has been a Kleeneze distributer and therefore he knows full well that we get many repeat customers and the business is built on repeat customers.
Nope, he knows you don't get many repeat customers, and if you do they only buy two or three times then realise what they are buying is over priced rubbish so stop buying.What then is his motive to pretend that once people have ordered you need to find new customers because they won't order again?
His motives are so that people know the truthWhatever his motive it is certainly not a good one.
I think telling people the truth is a good motive.
Speaking of telling the truth, when are you going to tell us the costs of the things you have to buy from Kleeneze, such as catalogues, order forms etc. ?
Side stepping it by saying your downline gives them to agents until they are making a decent income is not an answer.
I've asked you four times now but not had an answer yet?0 -
Really? Ok lets set up a bet, lets make it a big bet say £10,000 get it all drawn up legally and then do a test on your claim about lack of return orders.
Are you up for that?
As you know I am not an agent now so couldn't take part. You try to make the bet knowing I will have to decline as I can't take part, just so you can claim you won.
If you are willing to bet, and lose £10,000 then you will be willing to send me £125 so I can join Kleeneze again and take part in your bet.
I can PM you my email address and will join just as soon as the money is in my paypal account.
I flatly refuse to join anyones downline.Out of curiosity as you were a Kleeneze agent, why do you think the whole system of delivering catalogues is designed to stop delivering to all the houses except the ones that have previously ordered?
Kind of the opposite of what it should be if your statement were true. Should stop delivering to houses that had previously ordered as they would not be ordering again.
I didn't say that, what I said was people who do order soon realise the stuff is over priced and stop ordering. I never mentioned stopping delivering catalogues to them, although I did mention most people stop delivering the catalogues when their orders dry up.But hey it's worth the hassle of setting up a bet like this as it will be a very easy £10,000 for me.
Just send me the £125, I'm ready and waiting.As to your question about costs, it's a silly question for a host of reasons. The answer depends on how much an individual wants to do and has to be offset against income. For instance if you asked me how much I have to spend in advertising in my regular job. I could tell you about £900 a month. Howver what does that mean? If I make a gross income of 1000 a month that figure is ridiculous. If however I make 10,000 a month then it's very reasonable.
No it's not silly, their are people in other threads saying things like "I made £30 commission my first week. I put out 100 books and got 89 back, have ordered another 100 books" They claim to have made £30 but we know they have paid at least £75 to join and paid for a further 100 books, so, so far they are not in profit.
In short, all the people who support Kleeneze tell us how much commission they get but cleverly avoid telling us what they pay out.I will however answer your question about costs. £75 is the minimum investment and usually it's £125, our downline don't pay for any more books as we give them free, up until there income reaches a decent level. So if I have to give an answer it is £125 which is returnable within 14 day's if you decide you don't like it.
I still don't have the prices, go on, forget what they taught you in the seminars and let us know the true cost of being a Kleeneze agent.Now about that bet, are you up for it, because we both know that what your claiming is complete rubbish.
I'm up for it, just waiting for the money.0 -
I've been thinking about how we could fairly set up the bet. We take an area of say 800 houses and drop books and keep records of all orders, we do this 5 times. We now have houses that have ordered and houses that have not over 5 drops. The 6th drop is the bet. I bet that the vast majority of orders from the 6th drop will be from houses that have ordered in the previous 5 drops.
I'm up for it. I live in a small town and every now and them someone tries Kleeneze. You see the catalogues torn up and thrown into the street. I guess it's just the Dorset people's way of letting the agent know not to come back.
I can't lose this, so bring it on.In fact we don't need to start a new area we can do it on an established area.
As you know, I don't have an established round. Are you trying to load the bet in your favour?I can show you a list of the customers that buy regularily from Kleeneze. ( you can easily verify this )
Go on then, supply me with a list of the customers that buy regularily from Kleeneze. I must be able to easily verify the list is correct otherwise I will assume you just made it up.We then drop books in the whole area and see if the average order from regular customers is higher than the average order from non customers. It's a no brainer but clearly you are arguing the the opposite should happen.
How can I do that, I don't have any customers, regular or other? How about you come down here and try it with a fresh round. That way we will both be even when we start.0
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