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Tenancy Deposit Schemes - BEWARE of Countrywide

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  • kennyboy66_2
    kennyboy66_2 Posts: 2,598 Forumite
    Letting agents & landlords just charge what ever they can get away with. They rip tennants off whenever possible.

    Its just in their nature.
    US housing: it's not a bubble

    Moneyweek, December 2005
  • harryhound
    harryhound Posts: 2,662 Forumite
    I would never risk going to court for less than 100 GBP, it would be a stupid waste of your life.

    Unfortunately rogue agents know this; I bet the 50 GBP was to cover the one hour inspection fee. I would like to see a system where both parties had to sign off at the end of the inspection or go to court to get their hands on ANY of the money.

    Don't get mad get even. I can think of several "weases" but they are probably all illegal.

    Harry

    This has to be thread of the year but, if it was not for the experience and self confidence gained by Eagerlearner and the jolt given to Brighton's letting market, it would have been a shocking waste of time.

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?p=5520528#post5520528
  • EagerLearner
    EagerLearner Posts: 4,976 Forumite
    I found ARLA pretty useless - they were uninterested in our deposit dispute and passed us on to the Dispute service. I guess ARLA have no interest in there being complains against their member companies, seeing as they make their money from those very members via annual fees for membership.

    The Dispute Service took 5 whole months to come back to us about our dispute and that was only after we chased them. To be fair to them they found in our favour, but that was about as useful as a wok on a desert island because it got us nowehere apart from assuring us we should continue with our court case against an evasive and unfair landlord.

    After a year of chasing a landlord who retained our entire £625 deposit for mostly 'cleaning' and 'dust', who then avoided us and basically hid behind the agents, we were overjoyed to finally get her into court last month and get her to bring her chequebook out. Yes it was a year of our life, but she actually ended up paying over £800 to ignore us, which to us was a victory. Plus the letting agents were burned somewhat with the number of calls/faxes/e-mails that their bas service rewarded them with. They did not allow us to be present at check-out, but I'd always recommend you ask *in writing* so that then you have proof you requested it. Attend if at all possible and ensure you have photos of the property at check-in and at check-out.

    For tenants, be aware that the odds will be stacked against you - the landlord / letting agent can *say* there was dirt, dust etc etc and there ain't much you can do about it even if you photograph every inch of the property when you move in and when you leave. Some landlords will be extreme, others charge £50 for barely nothing, others charge for due costs - you won't know until you leave a property.

    Not all landlords are bad, don't tar them all with the same brush, be careful, be honest, be neutral, swift, put things in writing and show intent if you are planning to take them to court.

    In our case she basically got away with both recarpeting and repaining her flat with our deposit money, even though the carpet was stained and ancient when we moved in, and even though all we *did* to the wall was hang 3 pictures. The judge did not seem to think it important that the landlady had no proof of even buying the carpet, nor show proof that we did an ounce of 'damage' to the paintwork (she took photos, only 1 was a wall scrape, present in the flat when we moved in). She had even claimed paintwork was needed on the ceiling to cover damage, that gives you an idea of what she was like.

    So now we are in a new flat, with a decent landlady who is a part of the new deposit protection, we feel much safer and I doubt that the Countrywide/Arla/Dispute connection will have much real bearing on whether generally folks get their deposit back or not, although of course it's a dodgy connection...
    MFW #185
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  • Hi everyone

    I have just been looking at the Which? magazine website. It appears that they have a long running campaign for better and more independent regulation of estate agents and LAs. They are campaigning for just one body for customers/tenants to go to with disputes, complaints etc. :j

    See the Which? website under Campaigns. I have read their info and it isn't just for estate agents and buyers/sellers but also for LAs and tenants. Skim their "Briefing on the Consumers, Estate Agents and Redress Bill" and you will see references to LAs.

    They are asking for people's stories in order to help them with their campaign. I added my story and this is their initial automatic reply explaining what they do.

    Thank you for sharing your story. Your contributions are vital to help us develop our campaign. We do read every one, so we may not be able to publish it straightaway, and we may need to edit your contributions if necessary. We'll email you when your story goes live on the site.

    Obviously we can't follow up every one, but if your experience is a really good example of a particular problem in the industry we may get in touch with you for more details, or to clarify information about your story. Your email address and other personal details won't be used for any other purpose unless you have said you want to be added to our mailing list.

    We're unable to provide advice on individual cases, but have a look round our site for information and tips on buying and selling a home, and our other campaigns.

    Best wishes,
    Move it campaign team

    Hope this is of some use to you
  • EagerLearner
    EagerLearner Posts: 4,976 Forumite
    Thanks - have sent them an e-mail!
    MFW #185
    Mortgage slowly being offset! £86,987 /58,742 virtual balance
    Original mortgage free date 2037/ Now Nov 2034 and counting :T
    YNAB lover :D
  • Georgeous George, if you are still out there, I would be very interested to hear more of your comments from a landlord's point of view.

    Do you believe there is the possibility of protection for both the tenant and landlord in a new scheme?
  • I think the outgoing and incoming tenants should decide any costs for 'puttimg things right' with the outgoing tenant paying the incoming tenant. The LL/LA could keep out of the situation with the incoming tenant taking responsibility for the condition of the property.

    :)

    GG
    There are 10 types of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those that don't.
  • Hmm, so someone else has had problems with Countrywide Residential Lettings. I've summarised my experience here.

    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/henry01/customer_service/carsons/carsons_customer_service.htm
  • I wouldn't be surprised if most tenants got a similar charge.

    Probably easier to take a little off everybody than a lot off the few people who really did leave it in a mess.

    And it probably "pays for the bubbly at the shareholders meeting"!
    "A goldfish left Lincoln logs in me sock drawer!"

    "That's the story of JESUS."
  • franklee
    franklee Posts: 3,867 Forumite
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    kerr_avon wrote: »
    Hmm, so someone else has had problems with Countrywide Residential Lettings. I've summarised my experience here.

    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/henry01/customer_service/carsons/carsons_customer_service.htm


    Interesting, thanks! One point for someone unfamiliar with letting agents in your area can you explain at the start the relationship between Carson & Company Residential Lettings and Countrywide Residential Lettings. Are they both the same company?

    PS. Glad you're OK, I thought you'd been shot ;)
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