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VCS reduced settlement charge

absolutelynochance
absolutelynochance Posts: 7 Forumite
edited 19 October 2017 at 7:11PM in Parking tickets, fines & parking
I pay a monthly fee for an underground car park space on land owned by an apartment building development company. I have a tax disk style parking permit issued by VCS.

The car park is patrolled by VCS.

I came down this afternoon to find a myparkingcharge notification saying to log into their portal to view evidence of a parking T&C contravention.

I looked over at my car park permit to find it upside down, when I was driving home yesterday with the windows open it must have shifted around and landed face down.

In the 'evidence' photographs taken by the so called parking 'agent' you can see the disk. Upside down but it is obvious what it is. I have parked there for 7 months, surely he recognises my car and will have seen the disk countless times before.

I would post an image but as a new user on MSE it won't allow me to post URLs.

I righted the disk and phoned VCS who advised to lodge an appeal. I looked into that but upon seeing the form that requests personal details and the requirement to check a checkbox that says "I accept these facts as they are presented" or something similar - there is absolutely no bloody way am I doing that and providing them with that information or checking that box.

I pay for a valid parking permit. I'm not a paying £60 'fine' (private company issuing a fine, yeah ok) for 1) the ramifications of gravity and 2) because some **** has spotted an opportunity to extort some commission.

I spoke to the landowners, the company I rent the apartment from who agreed with my point of view and said they'd contact VCS and get this ridiculous charge squashed.

They have done so however I heard back saying that there is a remaining 'reduced settlement charge' of £20.


I phoned VCS who said if I refused to pay they would pass the matter onto a debt collection agency.

I know all about Simon Renshaw-Smith. I will not be one of his victims.


Seeking your advice and experience.

Cheers guys, much appreciated.
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  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 154,777 Forumite
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    I know all about Simon Renshaw-Smith. I will not be one of his victims.

    Good. If this is your own residence, what does your lease or tenancy agreement say about an allocated space or rights of way, right to park, right to peaceful enjoyment?

    Conversely, what does your tenancy/lease say about the landowner/agent's right to introduce 'regulations' and why and within what scope?

    Have your read the NEWBIES thread and other 'myparkingcharge' threads? Wait for the NTK unless this is not your own car.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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  • The parking spot concerned is a bay in an underground car park underneath an apartment building owned and managed by a private developer.

    The car park permit contract is with the developer to the tune of £50pcm and is managed separately to the contract regarding renting the apartment.

    As a new user it won't allow me to post a link to the photo of the contract but if you were to go to imgur dot com /ndKKenf.jpg you will be able to see it.
  • Lamilad
    Lamilad Posts: 1,412 Forumite
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    !if you were to go to imgur dot com /ndKKenf.jpg!
    What is it with this phonetically spelling a link?

    Can we put in huge letters with flashing lights somewhere that all you need to do is post the link with http changed to hxxp?
  • hxxp://imgur.com/ndKKenf.jpg
  • Ralph-y
    Ralph-y Posts: 4,740 Forumite
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    changed ...

    https://i.imgur.com/ndKKenf.jpg

    that's the rental agreement .... what does your lease / tenancy say ?

    Ralph:cool:
  • imgur.com/a/kHjr8
  • fisherjim
    fisherjim Posts: 7,111 Forumite
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    https://imgur.com/a/kHjr8

    So there you go, nothing about requiring a parking permit at all, and the fact they have reduced it to £20 shows they are on sticky ground and just want to scam you out of anything they can!
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 154,777 Forumite
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    The car park permit contract is with the developer to the tune of £50pcm and is managed separately to the contract regarding renting the apartment.
    Your lease gives you rights, it seems from that link you gave. What does the above 'permit contract' say exactly?
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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  • Coupon-mad wrote: »
    Your lease gives you rights, it seems from that link you gave. What does the above 'permit contract' say exactly?

    You can find a link to it in post 6, I'd post it myself but am not yet allowed by MSE.
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 154,777 Forumite
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    So nothing about any parking charge at all; it even says failure to follow the T&Cs simply revokes the agreement. No mention of the signs forming part of the agreement?

    This is defendable; there is nothing you have shown us that binds you to any parking charge.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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