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Is this thread about world equity index trackers, or have I got the wrong end the stick?
If it is, then I have just watched a series of videos about it: http://monevator.com/this-former-hedge-fund-manager-reveals-how-you-can-invest-for-life-in-five-quick-videos/
And if we are talking world equity index trackers, then are these more worthwhile investments than S&S ISAs?0 -
I'm not experienced as yet with ETF's but I will look into it.
Funnily enough I am now debating with some colleagues about the merits of passive vs active funds! One of my colleagues (from the company I used to work for) said his Fundsmith Equity Fund has far exceeded any of the tracker/ index funds so said why would you want to invest in trackers?
Well if we have a look at
Vanguard FTSE All-World UCITS ETF (GBP) (VWRL)
Fundsmith Equity Class I - Accumulation
VWRL has about 3000 companies in its portfolio, while Fundsmith has only 27 companies in its.
According to Morningstar, VWRL is across 13 of the world regions, while Fundsmith is across 4 world regions of the world.
You are not comparing like with like.
Fundsmith has produced extremely good results so far, but will it continue? No one knows!
Continued strong performance depends on Terry Smith the manager.
What happens if Terry Smith goes off the boil, leaves, retires or drops down dead? These things do not apply to the VWRL.
The active & passive argument still continues even now. Maybe you should show him the 5 videos below. He might be persuaded that passive investing does have at least some strong points in its favour.
http://monevator.com/this-former-hedge-fund-manager-reveals-how-you-can-invest-for-life-in-five-quick-videos/0 -
Well that is food for thought. It's amazing how many investors that are in active managed funds will somehow not entertain tracker funds!0
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I've just spent part of the day setting up my S&S ISA, and now those 5 videos are saying that global index trackers are the better option...0
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I've just spent part of the day setting up my S&S ISA, and now those 5 videos are saying that global index trackers are the better option...
You would hold the global index trackers, or fettered fund of funds for vls or black rock or l & g etc, within your s&s isa, the isa is just a wrapper within which you decide what funds you want to invest in.
Monevator is a very good website with some interesting content and a good basic explanation for inexperienced investors, hit it is very passive biased. So an article stating that global index trackers are better is an unsurprising outcome, and shouldn't be taken as gospel.
I am passively biased but hold active funds as well, depending on the market or area of invetsment, it's horses for courses.0 -
Is this thread about world equity index trackers, or have I got the wrong end the stick?
A portfolio would generally have more than one 'asset class', as a diversified portfolio constructed from uncorrelated assets is a useful thing to have long term.And if we are talking world equity index trackers, then are these more worthwhile investments than S&S ISAs?
On the one hand, a world equity index tracker is a passive fund set up on a 'collective investment scheme' basis to allow investors to pool their resources and participate in the returns of an investment in a portfolio of equities, which are held in the same proportion as the equities which make up a particular wold index.
On the other hand, a S&S ISA is a tax wrapper which can be used to protect a variety of financial instruments (including publicly listed shares and bonds, and a whole variety of funds or collective investment schemes)
So to answer your question, no it is not 'more worthwhile' to invest in a particular fund within your investments, than to invest in some unspecified funds via a tax wrapper. It is a comparison of apples to oranges, or apples to fish, or apples to grandmothers.
Some might say, "which is better, a car or petrol" or "is it more worthwhile to buy pot noodles, ramen noodles, or a dish to hold noodles". They make no more sense than the people who ask whether they should buy an index tracker or a tax wrapper to hold investments. You can do both and hold them at the same time.0 -
bowlhead99 wrote: »The title of the thread is global trackers. Generally the thing they are tracking is equity indices. You could instead get a tracker that tracks bonds or properties. But generalising over the long long term you would expect equities to perform the best, because the upside is uncapped whereas bonds are defined by their fixed returns.
A portfolio would generally have more than one 'asset class', as a diversified portfolio constructed from uncorrelated assets is a useful thing to have long term.
No.
On the one hand, a world equity index tracker is a passive fund set up on a 'collective investment scheme' basis to allow investors to pool their resources and participate in the returns of an investment in a portfolio of equities, which are held in the same proportion as the equities which make up a particular wold index.
On the other hand, a S&S ISA is a tax wrapper which can be used to protect a variety of financial instruments (including publicly listed shares and bonds, and a whole variety of funds or collective investment schemes)
So to answer your question, no it is not 'more worthwhile' to invest in a particular fund within your investments, than to invest in some unspecified funds via a tax wrapper. It is a comparison of apples to oranges, or apples to fish, or apples to grandmothers.
Some might say, "which is better, a car or petrol" or "is it more worthwhile to buy pot noodles, ramen noodles, or a dish to hold noodles". They make no more sense than the people who ask whether they should buy an index tracker or a tax wrapper to hold investments. You can do both and hold them at the same time.
OK, many thanks for that. I'll try again then:
In this video (http://monevator.com/this-former-hedge-fund-manager-reveals-how-you-can-invest-for-life-in-five-quick-videos/) the chap appears to be saying that global index trackers (such as ones you can get from Vanguard or BlackRock) outperform investment funds (such as the one I have recently taken out via an ISA called BlackRock Volatility Strategy Fund IV).
The chap in the video shows a graph where the greater gains are clearly illustrated. I'm just wondering if people who have knowledge of both types of investment have any feelings either way on which one is better.0 -
Always make sure you know what the incentive is or preference of those who are presenting information.
Monevator is very good but is passive biased, you would therefore critically assess any information presented to determine whether this has been selective to support this basic argument.
This could be selective timescales, data sets that are skewed or any other methodology that shows the graph in the manner that supports a particular viewpoint.
For an inexperienced investor then a passive approach often works well, however a simple tracker probably isn't best. The passive fund of funds are probably better, like vanguard lifestrategy, black rock consensus or l &g multi index, as they automatically rebalance removing that hassle and potential costs depending on your platform.
There's loads of research and arguing for an against passive and active, in bigger markets with loads of liquidity and info then it's difficult for a manager to outperform. However they can be more agile in specialist areas and this is borne out by data to a large extent, so things like smaller companies and emerging markets, and actually equity income seems to have outperformance by active managers.
If you see a new investor you want diversification and these specialist areas will only for a small percentage of most people's portfolios so the fettered fund of funds listed above are a good place to start to look.0 -
You can spend literally days peeling the onion. There is always another layer, another question, and each question has at least two answers, and only time will tell which answer was least worst.bowlhead99 wrote: »Some might say, "is it more worthwhile to buy pot noodles, ramen noodles, or a dish to hold noodles".
Which is best: Chicken noodle soup, or to canoodle in a group?
Each choice could have its attractions, except maybe pot noodles, but a definitive answer can only be given with hindsight. Even the top level questions are not easy to answer with certainty.
Which is better: active or passive?
Which is better: simplicity or complexity?
I don't know. I lean towards passive and simple. If I had complete conviction in that strategy, I would be 100% in Vanguard Lifestrategy 60. Decision made, let it accumulate, check balance against projection once every 2 years. My actual portfolio looks nothing like that, because I only have about 50% conviction, and so as a compromise I have a portfolio which is about half passive and indexed.0 -
In this video (http://monevator.com/this-former-hedge-fund-manager-reveals-how-you-can-invest-for-life-in-five-quick-videos/) the chap appears to be saying that global index trackers (such as ones you can get from Vanguard or BlackRock) outperform investment funds (such as the one I have recently taken out via an ISA called BlackRock Volatility Strategy Fund IV).The chap in the video shows a graph where the greater gains are clearly illustrated. I'm just wondering if people who have knowledge of both types of investment have any feelings either way on which one is better.
It is just his estimate of how much he feels a tracker fund investing into a market will outperform something that's managed - based on an assumption of how much you pay for the management, which he considers will be a drag on performance (because while lots of managers beat the index, lots of managers don't beat the index, and so on average they equal the index, and you are paying higher fees for it).
Your 'Blackrock volatility strategy' funds available through your provider are not trying to beat or not beat a global index in a specific year. They are multi-asset funds targeting a particular level of volatility / risk. The global index can and will go up and down by tens of percent a year and many investors do not want to ride a rollercoaster up and down. Aegon Retiready therefore have a simple product where you just pick where you are on a scale of risk and go ahead with buying one of their funds from I to IV.The aim of the Fund is to manage the volatility of its portfolio at or around 15% and to seek a total return. The volatility management strategy will have a direct impact on the Fund’s returns which may be limited by this strategy. The measure of volatility is the annualised, equal-weighted volatility of the monthly portfolio returns over a rolling three year period, with the aim of maintaining the volatility of the Fund within a 13% lower tolerance and 16% upper tolerance band.
The Fund aims to gain investment exposure primarily to equity securities and fixed income securities globally, money-market instruments, deposits, cash and near cash. In order to achieve its objective, the Fund invests primarily in units of collective investment schemes and derivatives which provide exposure to the above asset classes. At any time, a substantial amount, or even all of the Fund’s assets may be held as cash to assist in achieving the fund’s objective. The Fund may also invest directly in transferable securities (equity securities and fixed income securities)... etc etc...
... There is no guarantee that the Fund will achieve its objective of managing volatility at or around 15%, or that it will be managed at all times within the intended 13% lower tolerance and 16% upper tolerance band.0
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