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Does the word 'extrapolated' mean anything to you?
Yes it does, it means using assumptions.
Assumptions based on the known to extend it into the unknown.
How the government can assume anything is beyond me. They first of all have to know the initial facts. If those facts are flawed in that they only know of say 10% of fraudulent cases, then any assumptions based on that figure could well be 10 times under what the true figure is likely to be. There is an error factor of 10 involved.
I will mention that the government 'extrapolated' the number of immigrants likely to come into the UK from Poland after the ban of free movement was removed. Their assumptions were based on the known at the time and they came up with a figure of 13,000 a year.
Trying to get them to quote this figure was like pulling teeth.
Only now do they admit that their figure was flawed and woefully under estimated when the true figure came out at 300,000!
You are best to take whatever 'estimates' or 'assumptions' that any government quote with a pinch of salt. Simply because they are generally always found to be wrong.0 -
Come on then Mr Knowitall, what is the right figure?benniebert wrote: »Yes it does, it means using assumptions.
Assumptions based on the known to extend it into the unknown.
How the government can assume anything is beyond me. They first of all have to know the initial facts. If those facts are flawed in that they only know of say 10% of fraudulent cases, then any assumptions based on that figure could well be 10 times under what the true figure is likely to be. There is an error factor of 10 involved.
I will mention that the government 'extrapolated' the number of immigrants likely to come into the UK from Poland after the ban of free movement was removed. Their assumptions were based on the known at the time and they came up with a figure of 13,000 a year.
Trying to get them to quote this figure was like pulling teeth.
Only now do they admit that their figure was flawed and woefully under estimated when the true figure came out at 300,000!
You are best to take whatever 'estimates' or 'assumptions' that any government quote with a pinch of salt. Simply because they are generally always found to be wrong.[SIZE=-1]To equate judgement and wisdom with occupation is at best . . . insulting.
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benniebert wrote: »Thankfully that is why we have written criteria and significant amounts of case law which define the criteria for claiming such benefits.
Failing a disability/sickness benefits claim/assessment means nothing in regards to whether or not a person is disabled. You can have a disability and therefore be disabled even if you do not meet the criteria for disability benefits. The 2 are not mutually exclusive.
The sooner people realise this the better of as a society we will be.
What makes things worse though is people like you peddling these lies.
No lies involved. The government has set criteria/descriptors for society to determine who is or not sufficiently disabled enough to be given that 'badge'.
I have an ingrowing toenail which is painful - but by anybody's reasonable view I cannot be disabled - I agree I don't believe that I am either - but it is a disability. So yes there are degrees of disability, but not everybody that has these disabilities should be treated as being disabled. Otherwise where do you stop? We could end up with the majority of this country being thought of as disabled.0 -
Come on then Mr Knowitall, what is the right figure?
Who knows? Even the government don't know.
But to peddle the 1/2% figure is plainly wrong. The government should be saying 'We believe that the estimated figure of fraudulent claims for benefit is 0.5%, however the figure could be a lot higher as we simply have no idea of the true number of current fraudulent claims to base our projections on'0 -
I had a friend who was blind from very young age and he used to "watch" movies with us - never bothered him.
He is now an academic and wins rewards after rewards for his work but he is still blind.
People just have no idea.ally.0 -
benniebert wrote: »
What absolute garbage.
No lies involved. The government has set criteria/descriptors for society to determine who is or not sufficiently disabled enough to be given that 'badge'.
I have an ingrowing toenail which is painful - but by anybody's reasonable view I cannot be disabled - I agree I don't believe that I am either - but it is a disability. So yes there are degrees of disability, but not everybody that has these disabilities should be treated as being disabled. Otherwise where do you stop? We could end up with the majority of this country being thought of as disabled.
the criteria/descriptors do one thing, determine who qualifies for a state benefit. Nothing more nothing less.
My brother is disabled. He has less that 10% hearing, he also has some mild learning difficulties. He is by any definitions disabled.
He cannot however claim DLA as he doesn't meet the criteria for it. That however doesn't mean he isn't disabled.
The definition of disability held in the Equality Act is potentially the best definition I have seen.Disability
(1)A person (P) has a disability if
(a)P has a physical or mental impairment, and
(b)the impairment has a substantial and long-term adverse effect on P's ability to carry out normal day-to-day activities.
Clear and concise and nothing at all to do with whether or not you meet the criteria for benefits.[SIZE=-1]To equate judgement and wisdom with occupation is at best . . . insulting.
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So if society was to accept what you have quoted as being the be all and end all of what constitutes a disabled person, then we must be at the top of the table for having the most number of disabled people living in one country within the EU. Brilliant, no wonder our health services are overwhelmed.
And what a surprise, I can at last call myself a disabled person.0 -
I had a friend who was blind from very young age and he used to "watch" movies with us - never bothered him.
He is now an academic and wins rewards after rewards for his work but he is still blind.
People just have no idea.
Most people have no idea. I'm partially sighted and can pass myself off as sighted most of the time. In fact, I do remember one person being rather shocked at learning of my sight impairment.
Me being unable to play darts is because of the type of visual impairment I have, which in turn affects my co-ordination and balance. I know that if I just had the other visual impairment I had, (which just causes poor vision and colour blindness) I wouldn't actually have any problems.
I do remember trying to play darts years ago. I managed to completely miss the board.:rotfl::o I have since discovered that alcohol helps. (it's a well known fact!)Sealed pot challenge #232. Gold stars from Sue-UU - :staradmin :staradmin £75.29 banked
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I had a friend who was blind from very young age and he used to "watch" movies with us - never bothered him.
He is now an academic and wins rewards after rewards for his work but he is still blind.
People just have no idea.
I had a lecturer at uni who was blind from birth. She was a Dr, and an OBE, and extremely well regarded in her field. She said she was rejected in her culture and by her family because she was blind but it didn't seem to stop her doing anything. She lived alone, had a guide dog and was always absolutely beautifully turned out- she was a remarkable lady and I was very much in awe of her.*The RK and FF fan club* #Family*Don’t Be Bitter- Glitter!* #LotsOfLove ‘Darling you’re my blood, you have my heartbeat’ Dad 20.02.200 -
Just to throw something into the discussion I'd like to say that we think of making accommodation for disability a problem, a hassle for local authorities and architects when I actually think that we should be trying to make everything as accessible as possible.
The very phrase "disabled toilet" is ridiculous. What would be more accurate would be "accessible toilet." Accessible to elderly people who use mobility aids. Accessible to people with a baby in a buggy. Accessible to someone who has a broken limb and uses crutches AND ALSO accessible to someone in a wheelchair.
I'm very mobile. I cycle every day, I run, I can take several flights of stairs at a go but I'm going to get old and one day I'll have trouble with designs that mean I can't read signs, push buttons, open doors etc. I'm all for a more accessible world so that more people can use it and then instead of people with disabilities having to rely so heavily on expensive and cumbersome mobility aids they can just get on and use the world like other people.
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