Waiters and other restaurant staff: spill the beans

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  • kensington143
    kensington143 Posts: 15 Forumite
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    John_Gray wrote: »
    Perhaps all tipping could be abolished by law, and a decent wage paid to all employees.

    Do we tip nurses? Shop assistants? Bus drivers?
    So why tip waiting staff, taxi drivers?

    Totally agree - same goes for Christmas tips to bin men, postmen etc
  • kensington143
    kensington143 Posts: 15 Forumite
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    My daughter worked Christmas Day 2013 in Wetherspoons. The staff got a lot of tips and it all went in a pot to provide a staff party after Christmas. This never happened and the manager put the money into the till to pay for wastage, keep stock levels right which then earned the management a very good bonus! I'm sure that is not what the customers paying the tips intended!
  • JeremyCH
    JeremyCH Posts: 35 Forumite
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    I used to run a pub and resteraunt. Service was not added and tips were at the customer's discretion. All tips whether paid by cash or card went into a pool and then shared equally between the staff who had worked without deduction (I didn't take a share) at the end of each shift.

    Looking at some of the other comments where people have complained about the practice of pooling tips, I fail to understand their concerns as good food & service is a team effort starting with the guy or gal who does the slicing and dicing through to the chef - waiting staff - bar staff and pot washer; anyone of whom can destroy a good product. Yes the customer facing staff are the ones the customer sees but what sort of tip would be given if the food is rubbish or the plates not properly clean?

    As for the wages issue, I couldn't agree more - people deserve a living wage and everyone was paid a decent wage comfortably above the legal minimum
  • quietriot
    quietriot Posts: 179 Forumite
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    Torchbee35 wrote: »
    I am led to believe that when a consumer pays a tip on a card, this becomes subject to tax implications for the waiting staff and hence
    Tips are taxable regardless of how they are paid.
  • devilboy_2
    devilboy_2 Posts: 1 Newbie
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    I never worked in a restaurant but in a casino about ten years ago, we were informed that any tips received should be declared to Inland revenue, so that income tax could be taken from your wage, as tips are "un-earned income".
  • Kim_kim
    Kim_kim Posts: 3,726 Forumite
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    John_Gray wrote: »
    Perhaps all tipping could be abolished by law, and a decent wage paid to all employees.

    Do we tip nurses? Shop assistants? Bus drivers?
    So why tip waiting staff, taxi drivers?

    Here here
    I feel so strongly about this I think I will stop tipping waiting staff, beauty staff, hairdressers & taxis.
    I expect the full price to be charged to allow the staff to be paid a decent wage.

    By carrying on tipping, it's a never ending circle.
    If we all stopped tomorrow, restaurants would have to adjust their pay to get good staff.
  • Missycakes
    Missycakes Posts: 1 Newbie
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    I work in a hotel as a chef. The cash tips are collected by the manager and split evenly between all staff a few times a year. However, this only happens with cash tips. All tips paid by credit/debit card go into the company accounts and are never seen again.
  • Charlotte17
    Charlotte17 Posts: 302 Forumite
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    Kim_kim wrote: »
    If we all stopped tomorrow, restaurants would have to adjust their pay to get good staff.

    No they wouldn't. They pay by law the NMW or above and people work for NMW all the time.
  • Doc_N
    Doc_N Posts: 8,272 Forumite
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    Torchbee35 wrote: »
    ......I am led to believe that when a consumer pays a tip on a card, this becomes subject to tax implications for the waiting staff and hence, quite often, this type of tip gets "swallowed" up in the cost of processing it and the cut which the tax man wants to take.
    quietriot wrote: »
    Tips are taxable regardless of how they are paid.

    True, but cash tips don't get formally taxed under PAYE - it's up to individual employees to declare them. The 'tronc' system taxes non-cash tips under PAYE, and some (most?) employers charge the employees for the administration.
  • Doc_N
    Doc_N Posts: 8,272 Forumite
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    Kim_kim wrote: »
    Here here
    I feel so strongly about this I think I will stop tipping waiting staff, beauty staff, hairdressers & taxis.
    Nice idea, but in most cases you'll be reducing the wage of the employee - and frequently below the living wage. Hardly fair on the employee.
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