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  • Mark2spark
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    Ok, very DRAFT but here it is so far......

    All criticisms and help welcome......


    9. The UK Civil Aviation Authority issued this press release on the 31st October 2014.
    Andrew Haines, Chief Executive of the CAA, said:
    “We acknowledge airlines’ concerns about the proportionality of the flight delay regulations and recognise that airfares may increase as a result. However, the court’s decisions in these cases bring legal clarity to this issue and we now expect airlines to abide by them when considering claims.”

    This is also important information for anyone who has made a claim for flight delay compensation but is waiting for a decision pending the outcome from Supreme Court. Following the decisions in these two cases, airlines should not continue to put claims on hold. Where airlines have already put claims on hold, the CAA expects airlines to revisit them and pay compensation for any eligible claims.

    Don't forget to cut out stuff that doesn't help you or just muddies the waters.
    The CAA paragraph above (in red) could be shortened to...

    Andrew Haines, Chief Executive of the CAA, said:
    “...the court’s decisions in these cases bring legal clarity to this issue and we now expect airlines to abide by them when considering claims.”

    Telling a judge about airfares possibly rising as a result of the ruling is zilch to do with *reasoning* why a stay should/shouldn't be granted.
  • Vauban
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    NovAng: Just to add that, like M2S, my advice would be to keep this as short as possible. !A long reply will only suggest that there is a substantial issue to argue - and the local courts don't need much of an excuse to agree a stay. !So focus on the decision of the Supreme Court (and definitely quote what they say), as well as noting the CAA's view. !This issues in your case were comprehensively looked at by the Court of Appeal, and the Supreme Court has confirmed that this stands as law. The whole letter shouldn't be more than a couple of paras, I reckon.
  • NoviceAngel
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    Vauban wrote: »
    NovAng: Just to add that, like M2S, my advice would be to keep this as short as possible. !A long reply will only suggest that there is a substantial issue to argue - and the local courts don't need much of an excuse to agree a stay. !So focus on the decision of the Supreme Court (and definitely quote what they say), as well as noting the CAA's view. !This issues in your case were comprehensively looked at by the Court of Appeal, and the Supreme Court has confirmed that this stands as law. The whole letter shouldn't be more than a couple of paras, I reckon.

    Thanks Vauban, I'm working on it now - I'm trimming it down and tidying things up!
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  • I don't know why they are still trying to fight this as they are on a lost cause, but Dart Group posted this on 3 Nov.

    Dart will be making a provision of £17m in its current financial year in order to cover potential historical claims arising from the Supreme Court's decision. Going forward, the Board estimates that the legislation may cost the Group a further £3m-£5m per annum. The Board is currently further reviewing its options to mitigate the future financial impact on its air travel operations.
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  • Thank you to everyone that helped, I made some changes and shortened it down, it's landed in the Courts 'in box'.
    JET2.COM LIMITED Defendant
    __________________________________________________________________
    OBJECTION TO APPLICATION NOTICE BY THE DEFENDANT
    __________________________________________________________________
    I the claimant make the following objection to my case being further stayed for the following reasons:

    1. It is accepted that the Defendant is denying compensation due to the fact that the Defendant is claiming an ‘extraordinary circumstance’ lead to the delay of flight ****.
    2. It is accepted that an appeal was heard in the Manchester County Court before His Honour District Judge Platts (Case number: 2YN76991, Appeal ref: M13X134) between Ronald Huzar the Claimant and Appellant and Jet2.com the Defendant and the Respondent.
    3. In November 2013 the Defendant stated that ‘the Court of Appeal can be expected to bring much-needed clarification to the proper interpretation of Article 5(3) of the Regulation.
    4. The Court of Appeal has now heard the case and the airline was formally denied leave to appeal.
    5. The Defendant refused to accept the decision of the Court of Appeal and subsequently appealed to the Supreme Court for permission to Appeal the Court of Appeals decision. This application was formerly denied on the 31st October 2014 for the following reason :’ The substantive text of the Supreme Court's Order reads as follows:
    ‘The Court ordered that permission to appeal be refused in Thomson because the application does not raise an arguable point of law; [and] permission to appeal be refused in Jet2.com because the application does not raise a point of law of general public importance and, in relation to the point of European Union law said to be raised by or in response to the application, it is not necessary to request the Court of Justice to give any ruling, because the Court's existing jurisprudence already provides sufficient answer.
    6. It is my submission that the Defendant has now found a local Court case in Amsterdam, which in my opinion has no relevance whatsoever in UK Law, The Supreme Court has ruled on the decision, the Supreme Courts decision should be final and be upheld as such. The EU directive 261/2004 is for member states to decide via the law of the land of that state, and to be interpreted as such, no other country, cannot be overruled by any other pending case in some other country.


    7. The UK Civil Aviation Authority issued this press release on the 31st October 2014.
    Andrew Haines, Chief Executive of the CAA, said:
    “…. the court’s decisions in these cases bring legal clarity to this issue and we now expect airlines to abide by them when considering claims.

    This is also important information for anyone who has made a claim for flight delay compensation but is waiting for a decision pending the outcome from Supreme Court. Following the decisions in these two cases, airlines should not continue to put claims on hold. Where airlines have already put claims on hold, the CAA expects airlines to revisit them and pay compensation for any eligible claims.”
    8. I believe that the Defendant is acting entirely unreasonably and should now accept the decision of the Spanish AESA who ruled in my case on the 4th July 2013, subsequently the Court Of Appeal that ruled on the Huzar case, the Supreme Court and the UK Civil Aviation Authority.
    9. For all the above reasons I do not believe that my case should be stayed in the Court system and wish for the Defendants application to be refused.
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  • 7. The UK Civil Aviation Authority issued this press release on the 31st October 2014.
    Andrew Haines, Chief Executive of the CAA, said:
    “…. the court’s decisions in these cases bring legal clarity to this issue and we now expect airlines to abide by them when considering claims.

    Must admit I never thought I would be using a quote from the CAA !

    Perhaps there was just a 'misunderstanding' between us all. ;)
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  • 111KAB
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    Novice Angel .... I think you should have added number 10.


    10) Jet2.com are a load of rubbish, they fly old planes, they do not honour their obligations .... in fact they are a complete waste of time and space. Accordingly I request you award me another £100 due to the further time wasting they have exhibited.
  • 111KAB wrote: »
    Novice Angel .... I think you should have added number 10.


    10) Jet2.com are a load of rubbish, they fly old planes, they do not honour their obligations .... in fact they are a complete waste of time and space. Accordingly I request you award me another £100 due to the further time wasting they have exhibited.

    Yeah sorry I missed that one, ........

    Reminds me of my wedding night, drunk - insisting I do the cha...cha... slide* - Don't know when to give up!


    * That's a dance btw:p
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  • 111KAB
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    batman44 wrote: »

    Dart will be making a provision of £17m in its current financial year in order to cover potential historical claims arising from the Supreme Court's decision. Going forward, the Board estimates that the legislation may cost the Group a further £3m-£5m per annum. The Board is currently further reviewing its options to mitigate the future financial impact on its air travel operations.


    At an average £4m per annum cost this adds 50p to each Jet2 passengers flight costs which I'd be more than willing to pay as an 'insurance levy' if delayed over 3 hours. Dart will take a far greater 'hit' when they have to contribute to either the Heathrow or Gatwick expansion (neither of which they fly from!) so when/if they start increasing prices I wonder if it is for an additional runway or a deficiency in their service? http://www.travelmole.com/news_feature.php?news_id=2014076&c=setreg&region=2
  • Thomson are showing a contingency of £37m in their annual report and accounts published in September 2013 (p155) for legal costs including Denied Boarding Compensation.

    http://www.tuitravelplc.com/sites/default/files/TUI_Travel_PLC_ARA_2013.pdf
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