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Permitted Work Whilst in Recent of Benefits
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GoneSavage
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Hi,
I'm in receipt of DLA and ESA due to several hospital admissions and a few suicide attempts in the past - one where I suffered a broken back - and am considering doing permitted work to begin to get my life together.
I spoke to an advisor at the job centre about doing permitted work, however I'm still unclear if the work I'll be doing is allowed under the permitted work rules.
I'll be gaining some industry experience in an architect's practice; doing CAD drawings, going to meetings and taking minutes, shadowing the principal, administrative work, etc.
I'd like to know where I stand on this.
I'm in receipt of DLA and ESA due to several hospital admissions and a few suicide attempts in the past - one where I suffered a broken back - and am considering doing permitted work to begin to get my life together.
I spoke to an advisor at the job centre about doing permitted work, however I'm still unclear if the work I'll be doing is allowed under the permitted work rules.
I'll be gaining some industry experience in an architect's practice; doing CAD drawings, going to meetings and taking minutes, shadowing the principal, administrative work, etc.
I'd like to know where I stand on this.
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In general, there are no limits on permitted work, other than the hours rules and the earnings ones.
20 pounds a week, with no hours limit.
around 100 pounds a week, with a 16 hour limit.
In some cases there may be expenses possible to be taken off, or it may be possible to average your earnings.
As an alternative, if you have a pension - you can pay twice excess earnings over this limit into the pension, and remain under the permitted work scheme.
The only other limit is if your work undermines your ESA claim.
If, for example, you claim to be unable to walk, and yet are on your feet all day walking.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/252040/dmg-vol8-consolidated-version.pdf
Look at 41187 - the rules on permitted work.
41213 - averaging of hours worked may be permitted.
See also
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/252055/dmg-vol9-ch48.pdf
48094 - 'averaging of amounts'.
I know of no nice easy permitted work guide that goes into all the details.
If you are doing something 'unusual' - you need to contact the DWP first, and ensure that they agree to what you're doing.
You need to contact them about permitted work, and get the required form anyway.0 -
The one thing that I would be worried about is that by doing ANY type of work and you have been found unfit to carry out any type of work by ATOS/DWP they could simply say that as you are working, you can't be unfit for work.
Seems totally illogical.
Claiming that you can't mobilise gets you into the Support Group of ESA, yet you can manage 16 hours of work on the tills at Tesco - and that is not working?????? I must be living on a different planet.
Surely, they wouldn't say that? They understand that people do want to work and by doing permitted work, they're seeing if they can do a few hours instead of signing off and finding they can't actually work?Sealed pot challenge #232. Gold stars from Sue-UU - :staradmin :staradmin £75.29 banked
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Claiming that you can't mobilise gets you into the Support Group of ESA, yet you can manage 16 hours of work on the tills at Tesco - and that is not working?????? I must be living on a different planet.
I didn't say anything about doing 16 hours week of work on the tills at Tesco. I would be in an small office with 2 other people, who would be well aware of my situation.
There are people who are in receipt of benefits who DO actually want to work, but their disabilities prevent them from doing so.0 -
Let's not forget that there are so many 'work from home' positions these days. Indeed I know of a severely disabled girl that acted as a secretary for many field agents in the tech business and she was virtually unable to get out of the house. It was all done via computer with calls being routed to her during her working hours where she would log problems and book agents to go and fix things, all without leaving her home.Still seems totally illogical to me. You can either do any type of work due to illness or you can't.
I wouldn't say that up to 16 hours a week is a 'few hours'. It is almost a part time job!
Perhaps she should just have remained 'useless' rather than actually performing an active role in life that actually contributed towards taxes too? People have such narrow minds.0 -
My problem in trying to understand it is how can someone who is supposed to have been assessed as 'unfit for any type of work' (for which ATOS/DWP assess you) equates with working for up to 16 hours a week?
This is _ABSOLUTELY_INCORRECT_.
There is no finding that someone is unfit for any work with ESA.
This may have been the case for IB, it is specifically not for ESA.
Permitted work lets people who may not be able to work normally without support ease their way back into the job market, with a view to coming off benefits.
For example, I have an hour or two that I'm feeling good a week. During this time (which may be at 4AM, due to disturbed sleep cycles) - I could in principle do some self-employed work. (I am attempting to do this).
My goal is though my health may not improve to get this off the ground sufficiently that I can come off benefits.0 -
Sigh, yet another troll. What do you not understand about Roger's post? ESA is not a ticket that says "here you go, enjoy the welfare state"! Whether you are in the work related or support group component of ESA the simple fact remains, it is Employment and Support Allowance and it is there for those that need help in hopefully getting back in to employment.
Actually getting on to main phase ESA is no walk in the park by any means, you make it sound like you can just make up any 'bad back' excuse etc and claim it. To get on to main phase ESA is not a doddle and even if you're fortunate enough to be on it (whether support group or WRAG), it doesn't mean that life's going to be easy.
I'm really not sure why you have such hatred of those that qualify for it as actually qualifying for ESA (after the ESA50 form and perhaps medical) is no mean feat, you have to be pretty damned poorly in one way or another.
I wonder whether you work and whether you failed..... Ah well.0 -
Parva, I normally rely on you to spot Andy. Solbert is yet another of Andy's aliases, banging on again in his normal manner. He's got several aliases running on here just now. Must have a lot of free time on his hands.0
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rogerblack wrote: »There is no finding that someone is unfit for any work with ESA
errr it is for ESA. Hence why the descriptors were chosen. It was to catch out those that may not be able to do their normal job but could do another type of job or maybe reduced hours in your normal job.
To be in the Support Group you are classified as not expected to be able to do any work in the medium to long term - not just your own job.
Being in the work group is different - that equates to JSA but with certain reasonable restrictions being allowed.
If I follow your train of thinking, there are not that many that have been awarded ESA that could not carry out some level of work. That makes a complete mockery of being sick and unable to work.
The sooner they get rid of this Permitted Work scheme the better - it's nothing more than a scroungers charter as a way for people to top up the ESA payment by up to an extra £100 a week by working.
Someone talked about drumming at the weekends while claiming to gain £100 a week, oh wait that was you :beer:Its not that we have more patience as we grow older, its just that we're too tired to care about all the pointless drama
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The sooner they get rid of this Permitted Work scheme the better - it's nothing more than a scroungers charter as a way for people to top up the ESA payment by up to an extra £100 a week by working.
From your posts and what others have said, I'm unsure if you're a troll or serious.
In any event, it sounds as though you are more bitter than anything else about the welfare system.0 -
Sorry to hear you get NO allowances at all .
You must be the only person in UK this applies to.
Do get your invective right before posting.
Is not the allowance approx £90000
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