CSA - Income, stuggling to pay bills etc...

shoe*diva79 · 28 October 2012 at 7:53PM

Lickily the governement have changed benefit rules so he wont be better off on benefits. There is no reason he cannot work so he would only be able to claim jobseekers allowance - and if he gave up his job willingly he would be sanctioned for up to 26 weeks with nothing.

There is a difference in what he can afford and what the LEGAL minimum is. If the legal minimum is set as £35 per week (as per the OPs recent post) if he cant afford it then I suggest he pops over to the debt free board, like I already did suggest in a previous post.

The CSA are already looking at reducing the CM due to take into consideration travel costs which is why I didnt respond to your previous question about it. Seems the CSA for once are playing quite fair. The crux of the matter is a £320 per week income for the OP, minus £35 for his child leaves £285 per week for his new family to live on. What on earth are you seeing that is unfair about that?

shoe*diva79 · 28 October 2012 at 7:55PM

OP - if tou need to up your income then obviously you have the option of your wife working to help support your family, or you could take on extra work which would benefit ALL your children.

Ceck your getting all the state benefits you are due (you can check on https://www.entitledto.com) from WTC, CTC, HB AND CTB.

clearingout · 28 October 2012 at 8:40PM

Murphy_Gooner wrote: »

So you expect NRP to provide heating & food cost's for a child which isn't in his full-time care?
Please don't make me laugh. You clearly don't know what CSA is meant to be used for.
I suppose you would have him pay towards his ex's rent or mortgage as well?

Child Support should be used to help go towards the likes of clothing and any other things the child may need.
Like i said what do you think PWC gets child benefit and tax credits for?
And who is too say the PWC isn't working?

Just sounds too me that you have had a possible dead beat dad for you're children who has never paid a penny and therefore pretty much tar ever NRP with the same brush.
Get over yourself, he is trying to support the best he can. So whether it £15 or £1500, He is still trying to make an effort

and what of those PWC who don't receive tax credit because they earn too much? who should pay for a roof over the children's heads, food in their stomachs and childcare so their PWC can go out and work to help support them? And it is not impossible that there will be a significant number of PWC who, within the next few months, become ineligible for Child Benefit as well as Tax Credits.

You will also find that 'officially' child maintenance can be used for ANYTHING at all. There's no way of keeping track of it so if a PWC needs help towards the roof over their heads, a new boiler, double glazing, food, clothing, childcare or anything else, child maintenance is simply a contribution to their overall 'pot'.

kevin137 · 28 October 2012 at 9:09PM

Yes i used to declare everything, one of the jobs was very very irregular, so i used to supply payslips and pay at 15% by debit card direct to the CSA and that they accepted as part assessment, the problem was the fulltime and 2nd job was very irregular with earning, i could earn £550 one week and £300 the next, was paid weekly and with mortgage etc to have to budget for, the CSA made it extremely difficult....!

But i paid, and i complained, and i paid, and i complained, but at no point did i consider giving up and being a benefit scrounger... That is just not an option these days with the sanctions in place if you leave work...!

And just so you know, i never said he packed his bags, but if you have a child, split and then move on or she kicked him out or whatever, if you cannot afford the minimum liability for the child that already exists, you should not have more...! You only have to look at the government and there opinion now with restricting children eligible to 2 children on benefit...

And about time too...!!!

shoe*diva79 · 28 October 2012 at 9:22PM

Yep, agree with Kevin. It really does not matter the circumstance of the separation. The children still need providing for.

clearingout · 28 October 2012 at 11:09PM

kevin137 wrote: »

And just so you know, i never said he packed his bags, but if you have a child, split and then move on or she kicked him out or whatever, if you cannot afford the minimum liability for the child that already exists, you should not have more...! You only have to look at the government and there opinion now with restricting children eligible to 2 children on benefit...

And about time too...!!!

this is an interesting point, Kevin. Men can go around having babies with as many women as they want, promising whatever the woman concerned needs to hear....and then what? The relationship breaks down? Children living in absolute poverty because they have a !!!!less NRP who can move on...and on...and on.....Very worrying move for PWC who are genuinely left 'holding the baby'.

wayne0 · 28 October 2012 at 11:50PM

ok...

PWC lives with her parents who pay ALL her bills... PWC does not buy anything for child. Grandfather/mother/uncle buy a lot.

I (the NRP) travel to see my son, every week (couple of times a week). PWC works two 8 hr shifts, yet is NEVER home... she is always out and about. leaving child with GP's.

I am currently going through the hassle of courts (and have been since child was born).

PWC cheated on myself. I did everything i could to make it work... but its a joke that NRP gets stabbed in the back by the CSA.

Like i say. CSA do not care, but I was given info by ONE lady at the start...

I am worse off by working, than if i was on JSA. yet have to pay more CSA.

if i was on jsa i would be left with a lot more to live on (me, & partner + 2 kids) to live on... (in addition to CB)
(£112 JSA - or did this go up) and 113 CTC

i would then get my rent and council tax paid for me...

so i would be left with 112 (JSA) +113 (CTC) +33 (CB) to live on. = 258 a week. minus the £5 per week CSA, which i would not need to pay, because my contact costs are over £10 a week.

instead, now i get
320ish (pennies or odd pounds out)
- 145 rent (weekly figure) - 25 council tax ( weekly figure) =
320-170 = £150
then add the 33 CB they didnt take into account... = 183
so my "income" net is 183...

i can therefore claim £61(ish) a week HB... this takes me to £243(ish)

wheres the logic here... that my money is less than JSA figures... but still get a damnsite lot more taken off me...

its not that i dont want to pay... its just that the system is worked out in favour of people who want to sit on their !!!!!! all day.

dont forget, i have to travel 30 miles to work every day (5 days a week) = this costs about 6 or 7 quid a day in fuel... which isnt taken into account? (a bus is not an option, because the last bus is at 11pm and i work until past midnight. and even then buses are about 5 or 6 quid a journey round here.

shoe*diva79 · 29 October 2012 at 12:06AM

Maybe you should have thought about the costs before having your latest baby... Your not being shafted by the CSA. They have assessed a fair rate for you to pay.

And you cant claim JSA as if you quit your job you would be sanctioned for 26 weeks so actually would be many £s worse off. So unless you get made redundant your better off where you are, supporting your children.

The PWC circumstances do not matter. Even if she was a millionaire you would still have to pay.

I understand you say you are willing to pay, but from your posts you seem to be willing to pay whatever is left over after your new family have been looked after. Not considering the child who came first.

As previously, is there any reason your wife cannot work to support your household?

shoe*diva79 · 29 October 2012 at 12:08AM

Also, after your rent and council tax your saying you have £243ish left over. Yet you quibble over £35 to your child which would still leave your £208 left in your household. I find your logic very odd.

wayne0 · 29 October 2012 at 12:14AM

shoe*diva79 wrote: »

If he was to earn £100 a week extra then £15 (roughly at 15%) would be payable, meaning £85 a week extra into his household. If his wife was to work and support her children then that money would not be counted for CM purposes.

now, my wife takes care of my children all day... i work over 8 hr shifts, constantly on my feet. I am in ill health already. I wouldnt be able to work any extra hours because i already do more than anyone else does, and hours are limited at work...

im guessing your a PWC?...

Also, my doctor has written me sicknotes to say im "not fit for work" for the past six months, but ive refused to not work. I suffer from a number of complaints from high blood pressure to back problems etc (these were developed in a couple of previous jobs where i literally destroyed myself daily whilst at work - coming home with cuts and bruises etc from landscaping etc.

I know exactly what im entitled to... and how the system works... but i wouldnt want to give up work... but when i went to the doctors on friday and she (yet again) issued another sick note for "modified duties" being reduced hours, reduced periods of mobility, no heavy lifting etc...
considering i spend at least 8 hrs on my feet, constantly moving about, my boss gave me the option "unfortunately because of the type of work, there arent any modifications we can make, so you can either work, or be on sick"...

would you consider me opting to go onto ESA "benefit scrounging"?

CSA - Income, stuggling to pay bills etc...

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