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Idiots guide to essentials tariff
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I've been tasked with finding out about energy tariffs for a family member who is in receipt of dla.
Unless I'm looking on the wrong pages i don't seem able to find much in the way of information. Can someone please explain and is it likely to be automatically the cheapest rate for them (under 65) - what are other options (for elect supply as well).
They are on standard tariffs at the moment and pay when the bill arrives.
Unless I'm looking on the wrong pages i don't seem able to find much in the way of information. Can someone please explain and is it likely to be automatically the cheapest rate for them (under 65) - what are other options (for elect supply as well).
They are on standard tariffs at the moment and pay when the bill arrives.
Don’t be a can’t, be a can.
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Research "social tariffs".0
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I think you'll find social tariffs are not on comparison sites,
and the only way is to call the company up, and eventually get passed to the right person.0 -
Social tariff's were replaced this April with " Warm Front Home Discount Scheme ", read all about it here
The Coalition Government committed to use these powers provided for by the Energy Act 2010. In March 2011 it established a scheme, called the Warm Home Discount, to run from 1 April 2011 until March 2015.The scheme will offer a rebate off electricity bills for customers in two distinct groups. The first group is the “Core Group” which consists of older pensioner households on low-incomes who are in receipt of a subset of pension credit; it is a clearly defined group. The second group is the “Broader Group” which will be left to energy suppliers to define, but which may include low income families and those with long-term illnesses and disabilities. Both groups will be granted a rebate of £120 in Year 1, £130 in Year 2, £135 in Year 3 and £140 in Year 4 off their electricity bills.Disclaimer : Everything I write on this forum is my opinion. I try to be an even-handed poster and accept that you at times may not agree with these opinions or how I choose to express them, this is not my problem. The Disabled : If years cannot be added to their lives, at least life can be added to their years - Alf Morris - ℜ0 -
So is it possible to gather information (from a webs source) to reach an informed decision and can i assume that a social tariff will always be the cheapest option from those available?
Having had a look around it appears there are barriers to access which are difficult to overcome - ie many suppliers stipulate age over 60.Don’t be a can’t, be a can.0 -
So is it possible to gather information (from a webs source) to reach an informed decision and can i assume that a social tariff will always be the cheapest option from those available?
Having had a look around it appears there are barriers to access which are difficult to overcome - ie many suppliers stipulate age over 60.
I don't know to be frank, and we never knew before. You see it used to be an ad-hoc voluntary system, there always were barriers, the scheme then and now was for the fuel poor in society, hence the barrier, in the same way that [ in another scheme ] being in receipt of DLA was a passport to a Blue Badge in this scheme being in receipt of pension credit is a passport to discounted fuel. We were never able in the old scheme to know or compare the benefit between :
- one individual and another individual
- the same individual between say year 2010 and year 2011
- etc
The facts were that all providers agreed to help with fuel poverty by having a discounted price for certain groups in society, but there was no consistency between different providers, the figures were hidden, different utilities had different qualifying hurdles and the general public were largely unaware the ' social tariff ' even existed.
Now because previously no one individual knew what another individual was given and what qualified them to have it unless someone was prepared to put details of their private finances it never became public knowledge. These discounts then were never on the comparison sites and as far as I'm aware are sill not on them.
I do know for example my own supplier Scottish Power used the subset of pension credit as a qualifier and when the convoluted calculations were done with kWh per annum / regional code / discounts for DD and internet readings / etc it came out to a guarantee of 2% less than the lowest any~~other tariff they give.
So from April this year :
- what was voluntary is now legislated
- what was a negotiated variable is now a fixed rate discount
- what was a maybe is now a definite yes if you qualify
- what used to be different passports to the benefit are now only two the core and the other
- the core group is passported with pension credit
- the second other “Broader Group” will still be left to energy suppliers to define, but which may include low income families and those with long-term illnesses and disabilities
All in all we now know what figure to expect, we know we all get the same figure from the same supplier, and we all know we get the same figure regardless of which different supplier you are with.
Unfortunately the second “Broader Group” will have to argue for their discount just as they always did under the old system .. .. .. but it will now be much harder for the utilities supplier to fob people off because it has the backing of legislation. Under the old system some of the so called cheaper ' social tariff's were more expensive than those already on offer, with the new legislation they should not be able to get away with that any more .. .. .. hopefully !
NOTE:
The consultation document proposed four key areas of support:
• A Core Group – this would be the majority of spend from energy suppliers over the four years of the scheme (2011-12 to 2014-15). These are a well-targeted group of the poorest pensioners who have a high propensity to fuel poverty and a higher risk of excess winter deaths. This section of the model would build on the 2010 Energy Rebate Scheme, a successful data matching pilot between DWP, DECC and the six major energy suppliers that resulted in an £80 rebate being provided to over 200,000 of the poorest pensioner households this year.
• A Broader Group – whilst the Core Group have a high tendency to be fuel poor, it is recognised that other groups are at risk of fuel poverty. The proposals would therefore also ensure some support will be available for other groups of vulnerable consumers.Disclaimer : Everything I write on this forum is my opinion. I try to be an even-handed poster and accept that you at times may not agree with these opinions or how I choose to express them, this is not my problem. The Disabled : If years cannot be added to their lives, at least life can be added to their years - Alf Morris - ℜ0 -
I appreciate your input.
I'm going to have to do a bit of digging to find a way forward with this one.Don’t be a can’t, be a can.0 -
I would be delighted to hear how you get on.
Remember to check whether you still get the DF and DD discounts.
Just about every variable tariff claims to be at least 2% below standard tariff, plus 2%DF, 6%DD.
They can also claim fixed rate tariffs don't count.0 -
Will old customers be transferred to Warm Front Home Discount Scheme do you know?Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »Social tariff's were replaced this April with " Warm Front Home Discount Scheme ", read all about it here
The Coalition Government committed to use these powers provided for by the Energy Act 2010. In March 2011 it established a scheme, called the Warm Home Discount, to run from 1 April 2011 until March 2015.The scheme will offer a rebate off electricity bills for customers in two distinct groups. The first group is the “Core Group” which consists of older pensioner households on low-incomes who are in receipt of a subset of pension credit; it is a clearly defined group. The second group is the “Broader Group” which will be left to energy suppliers to define, but which may include low income families and those with long-term illnesses and disabilities. Both groups will be granted a rebate of £120 in Year 1, £130 in Year 2, £135 in Year 3 and £140 in Year 4 off their electricity bills.0 -
Will old customers be transferred to Warm Front Home Discount Scheme do you know?
There are two areas I can't find definitive info on, and your question is one of them, I just don't know whether such an undertaking was agreed.
The other one is which people [ type ] form the 2nd ' broader group ' group. They differences between the two groups seem to be legally defined as :
Core Group = persons in fuel poverty
Broader Group = in risk of fuel poverty
There is a lot of regulatory technical [ make your eyes bleed ] stuff here and this seems to be the qualifying criteria for the ' broader group ' - see below : -
Broader group
PART 1 - Eligibility criteria: descriptions of persons satisfying Condition 1
1. A person who is in receipt of income support and — (a) has parental responsibility for a child under the age of 5 who ordinarily resides with that person; or (b) is in receipt of a qualifying component.
2. A person who is in receipt of income-related employment and support allowance which includes a work-related activity or support component and — (a) has parental responsibility for a child under the age of 5 who ordinarily resides with that person; or (b) is in receipt of a qualifying component.
3. A person who is in receipt of income-based job seeker’s allowance and — (a) has parental responsibility for a child under the age of 5 who ordinarily resides with that person; or (b) is in receipt of a qualifying component.
4. A person who is in receipt of state pension credit.
PART 2 - Verification measures referred to in regulation 19(7)(a)
1. Obtaining from each customer, orally or in writing — (a) the customer’s name, address and telephone number; (b) a declaration that the customer meets the supplier’s eligibility criteria; and (c) an explanation of how the customer meets those criteria.
2. Explaining to each customer that the customer may be asked to provide further evidence of eligibility before receiving a rebate under the Warm Home Discount scheme.
3. In relation to at least 5% of the number of customers which the compulsory scheme electricity supplier provides with the prescribed rebate in a scheme year, obtaining documentary evidence before providing the prescribed rebate that the customer meets the supplier’s eligibility criteria.
PART 3 - Interpretation
In this Schedule — “documentary evidence” includes copies of documents; “qualifying component” means — (a) child tax credit which includes a disability or severe disability element; (b) a disabled child premium; (c) a disability premium, enhanced disability premium or severe disability premium; (d) a pensioner premium, higher pensioner premium or enhanced pensioner premium.Disclaimer : Everything I write on this forum is my opinion. I try to be an even-handed poster and accept that you at times may not agree with these opinions or how I choose to express them, this is not my problem. The Disabled : If years cannot be added to their lives, at least life can be added to their years - Alf Morris - ℜ0 -
I tried very hard to work out whether BG essentials tarrif was better their lowest on line tarrif. It is difficult to compare as the rate bands are not the same. It seemed to me it was cheaper for low user but more expensive for higher consumption."A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." ~ Mahatma Gandhi
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