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To be fair accountancy prefers relevant qualifications
Most still require training route after a degree, a CIMA qualified accountant will get a job far easier than any degree.
Most want relevant accreditation not a degree, more so experience.
My point was that you need a degree as an entry qualification, so the point made by Pennywise is fairly irrelevant.'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
The debt markets are looking for long term control over finances, which is why the pension problem is also being addressed.
Are they? Over the last three years, government financing costs have plummeted. If they were rising, I would agree with you.
Long term control of finances really depends on getting the deficit down to around 3%... the government is planning to get into surplus within the next 4 years...
Without any savings from this measure.
Pension reform is a different matter, because it's really significant over the long term, it adds up to a lot of money. You can save the kind of money we are talking about on tuition fees by fairly harmless actions.
To put it in perspective, if you were to abandon the pledge to keep international aid budget and forbid councils from producing those awful quarterly propaganda sheets, you could abandon this measure, you would have saved the same kind of money.
This measure is really not about cost savings, or public finance: the reason the government implemented this measure is they think that introducing the market place to universities will increase quality.
And I think they are right on that.
I just wish the public debate was a little more honest.“The ideas of debtor and creditor as to what constitutes a good time never coincide.”
― P.G. Wodehouse, Love Among the Chickens0 -
My point was that you need a degree as an entry qualification, so the point made by Pennywise is fairly irrelevant.
Sorry misread, but no you can get in with just AAT etc + Experience. A degree is fairly irrelevent to accounts as you need recognised qualifications.
You wont become an accountant with just a degree you will have to do your work based training or time at college etc doing a recognised course. (unless you did cima at uni)
Even then to get a good job you will need 2-3 years of work based experience.
From my view accountancy associations such as CIMA more than welcome working routes in to courses (AAT ETC) as people tend to be more up to speed.
You don't need a degree to be an accountant you need a recognised chartered qualification like CIMA etc. (top jobs)
These have to be paid for and done on top of any other qualifications
Accountancy is one of the few things where all training can be done out side university and even if you go to university you still need to go through the the same training.
I think it was pointed out in the press (shortage of top uni places in the summer) that there was no real point going to university for accountancy as all the recognised essential qualifications all had to be done outside university.
So basically , top jobs require CIMA etc, not a degree all of these qualifications can be gained without a degree.
It is rare to have a degree a minimum qualification for Financial controller etc, usually it is CIMA or Similar.0 -
I've met at least one accountant who got all the qualifications necessary to get a real high flying job without doing a degree. it is quite possible to do it.
To be honest, I think that is a side line. There are a lot of jobs today such as computer programming where a degree makes it a lot easier to get your first position, but you learn much more on the job than in any degree. The old system was more intelligent, a lot of degrees today aren't really academic in nature.“The ideas of debtor and creditor as to what constitutes a good time never coincide.”
― P.G. Wodehouse, Love Among the Chickens0 -
Sorry misread, but no you can get in with just AAT etc + Experience. A degree is fairly irrelevent to accounts as you need recognised qualifications.
You wont become an accountant with just a degree you will have to do your work based training or time at college etc doing a recognised course. (unless you did cima at uni)
Even then to get a good job you will need 2-3 years of work based experience.
From my view accountancy associations such as CIMA more than welcome working routes in to courses (AAT ETC) as people tend to be more up to speed.
You don't need a degree to be an accountant you need a recognised chartered qualification like CIMA etc. (top jobs)
These have to be paid for and done on top of any other qualifications
Accountancy is one of the few things where all training can be done out side university and even if you go to university you still need to go through the the same training.
I think it was pointed out in the press (shortage of top uni places in the summer) that there was no real point going to university for accountancy as all the recognised essential qualifications all had to be done outside university.
So basically , top jobs require CIMA etc, not a degree all of these qualifications can be gained without a degree.
It is rare to have a degree a minimum qualification for Financial controller etc, usually it is CIMA or Similar.
I did mention the AAT route in my post, top jobs tend to want a good degree and accountancy qualification.
I just had a look at PWC, to be fair they do seem to have a decent non graduate entry programme.
http://www.pwc.com/uk/en/careers/student/head-start.jhtml'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
I did mention the AAT route in my post.top jobs tend to want a good degree and accountancy qualification
I know you did, but I am saying a degree is not a necessity for a job in accounts.
Anyone can do it providing they pay for their education, Why do you think AAT is a frowned on path?
Most people take that route as it can be work based?
as for the edit,
Please point them out to me usually all they want is CIMA etc and X years working in the equivalent role.
Do you work in accouts steve? most of the people I know get in to accounts through management account based qualifications and X years in the job??
here is some evidence.
http://www.reed.co.uk/Job/SearchResults.aspx?s=1756&sb=3&so=1&ns=True&sr=1&FromSector=11
£350K job
http://www.reed.co.uk/job-details/London/Accounts-Manager/Commercial-Financial-Planning-and-Analysis-Manger/?JobID=19646008&s=1756&sb=3&so=1&ns=True&sr=1&FromSector=1&Law firm Legal require a fully qualified ACA/ACCA/CIMA with excellent accounting knowledge at least five years experience (required essential). You would be responsible for a team of two, management of accounts receivable/payable; bank recs; credit contr...
£65-£75KThe successful candidate will be a qualified accountant (ACA, ACCA, CIMA or equivalent) with relevant industry experience, as well as experience in managing a team. A good knowledge of Cognos is preferable.
Accountancy is not dogged by degree as a minimum from my own experience.0 -
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The truth is, this measure will save no money until around 4 years time, at which point according to the governments own forecast, THERE WILL BE NO DEFICIT.
There may not be an annual deficit, but we'll still be trillions in debt. The four year plan is to stop the total borrowings getting bigger. After we've balanced the annual budget in 4 years time, we have to start working to reduce the borrowings, i.e. to run a surplus! Shame that GB didn't pay off any of the countries trillions on debt in the good years isn't it?0 -
I know you did, but I am saying a degree is not a necessity for a job in accounts.
Anyone can do it providing they pay for their education, Why do you think AAT is a frowned on path?
Most people take that route as it can be work based?
as for the edit,
Please point them out to me usually all they want is CIMA etc and X years working in the equivalent role.
Do you work in accouts steve? most of the people I know get in to accounts through management account based qualifications and X years in the job??
here is some evidence.
http://www.reed.co.uk/Job/SearchResults.aspx?s=1756&sb=3&so=1&ns=True&sr=1&FromSector=1
http://www.reed.co.uk/job-details/London/Accounts-Manager/Commercial-Financial-Planning-and-Analysis-Manger/?JobID=19646008&s=1756&sb=3&so=1&ns=True&sr=1&FromSector=1&
£65-£75K
Accountancy is not dogged by degree as a minimum from my own experience.
I made another edit
, and yes I notice that PWC seem to have a good non graduate entry programme. 'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0
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