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Rubbish at BM Bread - Help !

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Is it me or is it my breadmaker. Everything turns out like building bricks. What am I doing wrong ? I need something idiot proof to get my confidence up.
My favourite bread at the moment is ASDA seeded loaf, so an idiot proof recipe for that would be excellent.

Thank you in advance O/Sers

Bizzy
Building an emergency fund and starting on the mortgage!
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  • comping_cat
    comping_cat Posts: 24,006 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture Combo Breaker Mortgage-free Glee!
    Have you tried using warm (not hot) water rather than cold? Also make sure your salt and yeast are kept seperate, as salt will kill the yeast before it has chance to be mixed into the bread mixture!
    This is the recipe i got of off Posh Paws (thank you!!!) and it is lovely,
    1 cup warm water,
    1 cup Doves farm malty grain flour (i used hovis malted granery)
    1 cup strong bread flour,
    1 desertspoon olive oil,
    2 desertspoons porridge oats,
    1 flat teaspoon linseed,
    1 5ml yeast,
    1 teaspoon runny honey.
    Makes 1lb loaf.
    I didnt have any linseed so added sesame seeds, also i add extra pumpkin and sunflower seeds. Ive made it 3 times now, and it always comes out lovely!!! HTH
  • seraphina
    seraphina Posts: 1,149 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture Combo Breaker
    I know from some friends that the recipes supplied with their machines produces over sweet house bricks - perhaps it's worth investing in a BM cookbook or trying one of the recipes here?

    An expensive way is to start off with the ready mixes and work backwards - if the ready mix turns out okay, you have a rough idea of what it should look like when it goes in - and what ingredients the ready mix uses.
  • Swan_2
    Swan_2 Posts: 7,060 Forumite
    catowen wrote:
    This is the recipe i got of off Posh Paws (thank you!!!) and it is lovely
    that sounds delicious :) ... & Dove's farm flour is wonderful stuff
    seraphina wrote:
    I know from some friends that the recipes supplied with their machines produces over sweet house bricks - perhaps it's worth investing in a BM cookbook or trying one of the recipes here?
    I thought it was just me! all the recipes in the book that came with my BM have outlandish amounts of sugar in them, the bread rises fine, but even with half the amount of sugar the bread's way too sweet :confused:
  • Hi,

    Sorry you are having trouble. I find with a BM that it is important to measure things accurately (certainly for the flour and water). As others have said, you can be flexible with the sugar, and so on.

    Wha kind of flour are you using - for decent bread it does need to be "Strong" flour as that will have sufficient gluten to allow the bread to rise properly. Similarly, I find the quick acting yeast better (though I have had success with ordinary dried yeast).

    What recipe are you using - probably best to start with the ones that came with your machine until you build up confidence to adapt others. White bread should be the most reliable.

    Are you adding the ingredients in the order suggested by you BM manufacturer - that does make a difference too.

    Don't give up - whatever the disaster you will invariably find that the "bricks" will make excellent toast, but I admit, they are not too good for sandwches!.

    Regards,

    White
  • I have been using strong flour. I tried white because thats would be easier but sweetened housebrick is not a bad description of the outcome. I normally try to get everyone on wholemeal (preferably with a few extra bits !) & I have just about beaten them into submission so I dont want to get them back on white if its avoidable. So I was hoping to be a bit more adventurous with my new toy.

    I will invest a some better flour then from the local mill instead of Lidl, i'll be more carefull with my measuring & I'll definitely try the Catowen/Posh Paws recipe.

    Thank you all, I knew you'd come to the rescue. I was begining to suspect that either me ot the machine was a bit duff !

    Bizzy
    Building an emergency fund and starting on the mortgage!
  • Swan_2
    Swan_2 Posts: 7,060 Forumite
    I will invest a some better flour then from the local mill instead of Lidl, i'll be more carefull with my measuring
    Bizzy

    the Lidl strong flour for breadmaking should be fine, I've made some lovely loaves with it. in fact I've had better results with it than the expensive Allinson's I bought when it was on BOGOF recently. maybe just different makes of BM being fussy about the kind of flour used?

    is your yeast 'live' & working ok?

    are you using the measuring cup & spoons that came with your BM? as the others have pointed out, the flour/liquid ratio needs to be much more accurate than with hand-made bread. I've found that if the dough's too wet, the loaf will rise spectacularly then collapse, & if it's too dry, it just won't rise well in the first place. both result in a horrible dense brick-like loaf

    if your BM doesn't have a pre-warming function, making sure all the ingredients are at a comfortable room temperature before starting helps too. found that one out the hard way, I forgot that hand-kneading helps to warm the ingredients & assumed the BM would be the same :rolleyes:

    what make is your BM? maybe someone else with the same model might be able to offer some advice

    seraphina's idea about trying a breadmix is a very good one. a word of warning about the Lidl mixes though, I find them far too salty & the instructions specify too much water for my BM, a Morphy Richards Fastbake (kindly donated by a friend who never used it :))

    I've not had my machine very long & have learned so much from the kind people on this forum. so keep trying, they'll get you there in the end :)
  • Swan_2
    Swan_2 Posts: 7,060 Forumite
    bizzy_lizzie, you never did say how you got on with your bread, it'd be nice to hear if you're getting better results :)

    anyway, I tried poshpaws' recipe that catowen posted above & it's absolutely wonderful! it ranks in my top 3 breads alongside spicy cheese, & squeaky's sultana & cinnamon :T

    I've made it quite a few times now & adapted it slightly each time. eg ... made it a bigger loaf & scaled the ingredients up accordingly, replaced some of the white flour with wholemeal, added more oats & a ridiculous amount of seeds, linseed, sesame, hemp, sunflower, pumpkin, millet
    today I'm going to try it with the addition of poppy seeds (got my health shop to order me a kilo of them for less than the price of 3 of the daft little tubs they sell) & malt extract in place of the honey

    if I could click that thanks button again I would!
  • Morning
    I made the bread within a few days, all the right ingredients & everything, honest !
    The smell was wonderful & we couldnt wait for it to be done. When it was finally ready it was about 1 inch thick & the consistency of tough bread pudding. Such disappointment. :confused: I am beginning to think i have a defective breadmaker (or I am a defective breadmaker, one of the two). I cant understand it I can cook normally, i really can. I can even make bread although i dont very often but me & that machine just dont seem to be able to come up with anything you could happily put on the table. :o
    I remember my sister ( who has a fond and loving relationship with her BM) saying that she always made it in the spareroom as it failed in the kitchen, so maybe that my next option.
    Thank you for all your efforts & I havnt given up yet !

    Bizzy Lizzie
    Building an emergency fund and starting on the mortgage!
  • Swan_2
    Swan_2 Posts: 7,060 Forumite
    hi Bizzy Lizzie, I'm really sorry to hear that, must be very disappointing for you :(

    maybe a change of room would help, mine is in my kitchen just now, & it's so cold on there, my machine refused to operate at all! I kept getting an error message & thought it was broken till I looked at the troubleshooting section in my manual. but once I'd warmed the ingredients it started up, so the ambient temperature of a particular room may well be a factor

    what make is your BM? I've read in other threads that some makes/models seem to be incapable of producing a decent loaf. or maybe your machine is defective, have you had it long? does your sister live near enough for her to test it for you? could you return it for replacement?
  • Hi Swan
    Thank you for looking after me !
    It just says Morphy Richards Traditional Long Loaf on the outside. I have had it a year or more I think & I think i bought off the internet so I am stuck with it.
    The problem is really i get disheartened when it turns out badly & then dont do it again until i get another flash of inspiration. What I might do is resolve to try it every couple of days until i run out of flour/patience and see whether i can sort of work my way up to success.
    I could ask my sister to test drive it but it is nothing like hers so not sure if that would help. He recipes wouldnt fit etc
    The annoying thing is we do eat a lot of bread & I really love seed bread etc so it probably wouldbe a good saving & a nice addtion to the dinner table.
    I'll have another go today with a plain white recipe from a book i think. If i can get the hang of that maybe i can work my way up to something more exotic! :D
    Building an emergency fund and starting on the mortgage!
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