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Microbore or 15mm pipes & which boiler? *Now with added queries!*

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  • plumb1_2
    plumb1_2 Posts: 4,395 Forumite
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    thechippy wrote: »
    The smaller diameter makes them more efficient. Far less water for the boiler to heat up. I can't see any reason to change to 15mm.
    So if you installed a rad with a 9500 btu output? You would use 8mm?
    A pipe can only carry a certain amount of heat.
  • thechippy
    thechippy Posts: 1,938 Forumite
    plumb1 wrote: »
    So if you installed a rad with a 9500 btu output? You would use 8mm?
    A pipe can only carry a certain amount of heat.

    No,

    8mm is fine to about 5500 btu, above that, then go to 15mm. We don't know the size of the rads involved in each room! Maybe I should have asked for more info.......;)
    Happiness, is a Kebab called Doner.....:heart2::heart2:
  • thechippy
    thechippy Posts: 1,938 Forumite
    jamtart6 wrote: »
    Yep I thought the £200 extra was worth it for a worcester!

    hmm interesting as both our dads have said 15mm is the way to go as they get the heat around properly??...and we'll be spending about £1000 more getting a whole new system put in so REALLY need to think if it will be worth it!

    What is a powerflush?

    A powerflush is a pump which is connected to the ch circuit and flushes it through with clean water and cleaning chemicals. Plumb1 - why do you state 4/5 hours for a powerflush - OTT I think...:p
    Happiness, is a Kebab called Doner.....:heart2::heart2:
  • jamtart6
    jamtart6 Posts: 8,302 Forumite
    does it basically clean the system out first??

    btu - argh! these things scare me. Radiators are APPROX 60" in most rooms, think the living room is 125"

    Is under floor heating a better option??

    :ABeing Thrifty Gifty again this year:A

  • KT1985
    KT1985 Posts: 291 Forumite
    We are having a Worcester-Bosch Greenstar 42 cdi fitted this week- I will tell you what its like next week on renovation thread.
    :jMummy to 2 small 4 year old bundles of mischief!:j
  • jamtart6
    jamtart6 Posts: 8,302 Forumite
    ooh thanks :)

    so much choice!

    :ABeing Thrifty Gifty again this year:A

  • thechippy
    thechippy Posts: 1,938 Forumite
    jamtart6 wrote: »
    does it basically clean the system out first??

    btu - argh! these things scare me. Radiators are APPROX 60" in most rooms, think the living room is 125"

    Is under floor heating a better option??

    1kw = about 2400btu
    A 5ft rad will be ok on microbore pipe. We have one in our bedroom and it gets too hot to touch (I'm talking a single rad - not double)
    Underfloor heating is subjective, personally, I don't like it.
    A powerflush, as you say, cleans out all the debris in the system and is very important prior to installing a new system.
    Happiness, is a Kebab called Doner.....:heart2::heart2:
  • jamtart6
    jamtart6 Posts: 8,302 Forumite
    hmm thanks for the info chippy. All the plumbers have said they dont think we need 15mm but the dads are insisting! the difference is about £1000!

    :ABeing Thrifty Gifty again this year:A

  • thechippy
    thechippy Posts: 1,938 Forumite
    jamtart6 wrote: »
    hmm thanks for the info chippy. All the plumbers have said they dont think we need 15mm but the dads are insisting! the difference is about £1000!

    Keep the microbore Jammy and save yourself £1000, as long as most of the rads are 5500 btu's or less (or 5ft singles) you'll be fine. Just set the ch water temp at about 80c on the new boiler..........;)

    Anyway - working away for a couple of days now in Cheltenham, so catch you later....
    Happiness, is a Kebab called Doner.....:heart2::heart2:
  • Canucklehead
    Canucklehead Posts: 6,254 Forumite
    Good morning: A new client had a problem with his central heating in his newly renovated and extended property. Unfortunately, the microbore, an ancient HW cylinder and the Potterton Suprim:eek: hadn't been replaced ( also the builders had gone bankrupt and returned overseas). A rash of problems developed...the owner called a well-known/London based company and almost £2000/two months later still no improvement. The OH took a look as a favour and discovered the boiler did not have adequate ventilation, the pump was piped incorrectly, the unidirectional TRVs were on the wrong end, several rads were stone-cold/underperforming/leaking, the rads in the extension were undersized by half and the system kept losing pressure.

    The property now has a new boiler (Viessmann) with a Boiler Buddy, the system has been flushed (took most of the day), the old rads have new TRVs and the system no longer loses pressure. The microbore and the old radiators will remain until spring and the undersized new rads will be replaced. The clients regret not replacing the microbore etal at the time of renovations and will have the remaining issues addressed at great expense and disruption.

    In other words....another example of central heating being the poor relation during renovations and an expensive hangover afterwards. A RGI recommended to you by a source you trust would be best placed to advise you after completion of a site survey.

    HTH

    Canucklehead
    Ask to see CIPHE (Chartered Institute of Plumbing & Heating Engineering)
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