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Return of Deposit Queries....
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if you deposit was registered late and TDS won't arbitrate then you could be due 3x deposit back.... there's a few ifs + buts to this as it's been discussed recently on these forums: see these threads:
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=1064007
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=10770750 -
Thank you. I'm not bothered about the 3x deposit, not least because my actual tenancy started prior to April 07 and the law only says it 'should' be protected with any extensions to the AST so getting a judge to agree to 3x deposit would be very difficult, especially when they did comply eventually. I only really want what's mine.
I think I may be getting towards a result now anyway, after I asked them to call back regarding why it wasn't protected in time they rang to say they've left a message for the landlord asking if they can release it in full to me, and then they will foot the bill out of the money he pays them each month as no inventory was taken (i've noted date/time/name in case of further problems). This will just be for the £90 cleaning he's invented, as the LA knows as well as I do there were no arrears.0 -
...I have spoken with the TDS again who gave me my reference number, but have advised that as my deposit was registered late (16th July 07 rather than 20th June+14 days) it's unlikely they'd take my case on. ...
I've been wondering about these reports, as I personally find it hard to accept the company can accept the money for protecting the deposit and then deny the tenant any protection because of actions, or inactions, by the LL, especially as the tenant has no right to choose the TDS scheme the LL wishes to use nor can control when the LL submits the required information to the scheme.
So I checked the rules as per the link provided by redcar above and found this
4.1.4 Strictly speaking, protection cannot be extended to tenancies where the information specified in paragraph 14.3 has not been entered into the TDS tenancy database by the Member. This must be done within 14 days of the deposit being received by the Member. However, if the information is not entered, TDS will cover the deposit as long as it is held by a Member. But if there is a dispute at the end of the tenancy, and information has not been entered into the TDS database, the deposit will be awarded to the tenant without formal adjudication.Now that sounds more like it. In essence, if the LL chooses the scheme and the LL fails to abide the terms of that scheme, the tenant wins by default.
"Now to trolling as a concept. .... Personally, I've always found it a little sad that people choose to spend such a large proportion of their lives in this way but they do, and we have to deal with it." - MSE Forum Manager 6th July 20100 -
Strictly speaking, protection cannot be extended to tenancies where the information specified in paragraph 14.3 has not been entered into the TDS tenancy database by the Member. This must be done within 14 days of the deposit being received by the Member. However, if the information is not entered, TDS will cover the deposit as long as it is held by a Member. But if there is a dispute at the end of the tenancy, and information has not been entered into the TDS database, the deposit will be awarded to the tenant without formal adjudication.
Taking the meaning of this strictly then they are saying they will award the deposit to the tenant if the information has not been entered into the database, by the end of the tenancy (it does not say within 14 days if you read it carefully)
thought you would have been first to point this out Premier!!0 -
moneysavinmonkey wrote: »Taking the meaning of this strictly then they are saying they will award the deposit to the tenant if the information has not been entered into the database, by the end of the tenancy (it does not say within 14 days if you read it carefully)
thought you would have been first to point this out Premier!!:rolleyes:
It's past tense, not present tense.
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=1077075"Now to trolling as a concept. .... Personally, I've always found it a little sad that people choose to spend such a large proportion of their lives in this way but they do, and we have to deal with it." - MSE Forum Manager 6th July 20100 -
...and you say you are not deliberately trying to argue with me?
:rolleyes:
It's past tense, not present tense.
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=1077075
has is present tense, [had is past] ?? ??
sorry yes, I was(am) deliberately arguing with you on this occasion!!!
not very helpful - i'll take myself off for a talking to!0 -
moneysavinmonkey wrote: »has is present tense, [had is past] ?? ?? ...
The verb in question is "to be" not "to have"
Present tense = is
Past participle = been"Now to trolling as a concept. .... Personally, I've always found it a little sad that people choose to spend such a large proportion of their lives in this way but they do, and we have to deal with it." - MSE Forum Manager 6th July 20100 -
Thank you. I'm not bothered about the 3x deposit, not least because my actual tenancy started prior to April 07 and the law only says it 'should' be protected with any extensions to the AST so getting a judge to agree to 3x deposit would be very difficult, especially when they did comply eventually. I only really want what's mine.
I think I may be getting towards a result now anyway, after I asked them to call back regarding why it wasn't protected in time they rang to say they've left a message for the landlord asking if they can release it in full to me, and then they will foot the bill out of the money he pays them each month as no inventory was taken (i've noted date/time/name in case of further problems). This will just be for the £90 cleaning he's invented, as the LA knows as well as I do there were no arrears.
Well done for persisting: I agree with your first paragraph. All I would say is that sometimes if you send a letter as backup, when a LA/LL sees your request there before him/her in black and white they realise that you are deadly serious about getting your deposit back & it's sometimes enough of a kick up the backside for them to get their cheque book out or get down to the bank and sort an immediate transfer.
For the LA to look at losing some of their commission to cover any deduction is a sign that they realise that *they* are in the wrong too: their own contract with the LL may have required them to do an inventory and may clearly state that they are responsible for registering the deposit in good time. Sometimes LLs/LAs do this "good cop/ bad cop" thing where they play one off against the other, with neither wanting to accept responsibility.Ultimately , however, it is down to the LL.
I hope you get your deposit back in the next few days without any further difficulty - do update us and we can offer you virtual cake by way of celebration. (and when it's over, please consider writing to Shelter/CAB campaigns officers to give them your experience of the Tenancy Deposit Regs in action - if tenants and LLs just keep quiet when the system doesn't work for them, there'll be no pressure for change)
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I've been wondering about these reports, as I personally find it hard to accept the company can accept the money for protecting the deposit and then deny the tenant any protection because of actions, or inactions, by the LL, especially as the tenant has no right to choose the TDS scheme the LL wishes to use nor can control when the LL submits the required information to the scheme.
I do (sigh) have to agree with you on this point but it seems this is what TDS is doing from threads here and elsewhere. I'm not sure if its because people (tenants) aren't highlighting the TDS rules to the TDS when the dispute arises but they (TDS) are not always returning the full deposit to tenant by default in these circumstances.0 -
I do (sigh) have to agree with you on this point but it seems this is what TDS is doing from threads here and elsewhere. I'm not sure if its because people (tenants) aren't highlighting the TDS rules to the TDS when the dispute arises but they (TDS) are not always returning the full deposit to tenant by default in these circumstances.
I agree, the evidence suggests some people are being misled, either intentionally or unintentionally. Hopefully with the benefit of my post, those that are misled can now return to the TDS and remind them of their own rules."Now to trolling as a concept. .... Personally, I've always found it a little sad that people choose to spend such a large proportion of their lives in this way but they do, and we have to deal with it." - MSE Forum Manager 6th July 20100
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