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    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 15th Jan 20, 1:04 PM
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    Pavement parking change?
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    • 15th Jan 20, 1:04 PM
    Pavement parking change? 15th Jan 20 at 1:04 PM
    Media attention about a change in the rules around pavement parking. At the moment its only enforced in Scotland, London and Sheffield.
    There was a TV program showing pavement parkers being ticketed last week, the program was filmed in Birmingham.
    Surely anyone driving on the pavement is commiting an offence, so they can be ticketed for that. I have read about that not being posible because they cannot prove it was driven there. How rediculous.



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/car-parking-pavement-ban-britain-uk-government-a9096991.html

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    • Johno100
    • By Johno100 15th Jan 20, 1:22 PM
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    Outside of the three locations you mention (I wasn't aware any Scottish Council had yet implemented the new powers they've been granted) the pavement parking must cause an obstruction for it to be an offence. Parking with two or even in some cases four wheels on the pavement does not by default mean that an obstruction is caused.
    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 15th Jan 20, 1:38 PM
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    Parking with two or even in some cases four wheels on the pavement does not by default mean that an obstruction is caused.
    Originally posted by Johno100

    I was surprised watching the TV program last week, lots of room, but she got a ticket. Any car on the pavement is causing an obstruction, its just a matter of how much.

    • Johno100
    • By Johno100 15th Jan 20, 1:45 PM
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    I was surprised watching the TV program last week, lots of room, but she got a ticket.
    Originally posted by sevenhills
    I didn't see the programme so can't comment. Perhaps they parked too close to a junction?

    Any car on the pavement is causing an obstruction, its just a matter of how much.
    Originally posted by sevenhills
    No it isn't, if pedestrians and any other pavement users e.g. mobility scooter, children's buggy etc. can freely get passed then that wouldn't constitute an obstruction.
    • hollie.weimeraner
    • By hollie.weimeraner 15th Jan 20, 2:00 PM
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    • 15th Jan 20, 2:00 PM
    Surely anyone driving on the pavement is committing an offence, so they can be ticketed for that. I have read about that not being posible because they cannot prove it was driven there. How ridiculous.
    Originally posted by sevenhills
    How would they prove who drove it there?

    The ticket for driving on a pavement has to be issued to the driver not the registered keeper.
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    • Farway
    • By Farway 15th Jan 20, 2:56 PM
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    How would they prove who drove it there?

    The ticket for driving on a pavement has to be issued to the driver not the registered keeper.
    Originally posted by hollie.weimeraner
    Would same rules apply as for speeding? Ask RK who was driving and then pursue RG via courts if no or obstructive response?
    • TooManyPoints
    • By TooManyPoints 15th Jan 20, 3:29 PM
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    How would they prove who drove it there?

    The ticket for driving on a pavement has to be issued to the driver not the registered keeper.
    Yes, provided the police were involved, a notice under S172 of the Road Traffic Act would be served on the Registered Keeper of the vehicle, requiring him to provide the driver's details. Failure to comply (subject to any satisfactory defence) would see a conviction, six points, a hefty fine and considerably increased insurance premiums.

    The problem is that most parking matters have been "decriminalised" and are dealt with by Local Authorities. Whether they would involve the police when driving on the pavement was alleged is anybody's guess. S172 notices must be served "by or on behalf of a chief officer of police" and I doubt any chief officers would devolve that power to council wallahs.
    • Car 54
    • By Car 54 15th Jan 20, 4:12 PM
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    • 15th Jan 20, 4:12 PM
    The problem is that most parking matters have been "decriminalised" and are dealt with by Local Authorities.
    Originally posted by TooManyPoints
    But itís not a parking matter, itís driving on the footpath.
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    • By peter_the_piper 15th Jan 20, 4:28 PM
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    Don't forget that cars can park on pavements in London, but only where bays are provided.
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    • Shaun of the Dead
    • By Shaun of the Dead 15th Jan 20, 5:31 PM
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    Yes, provided the police were involved, a notice under S172 of the Road Traffic Act would be served on the Registered Keeper of the vehicle, requiring him to provide the driver's details. Failure to comply (subject to any satisfactory defence) would see a conviction, six points, a hefty fine and considerably increased insurance premiums.

    The problem is that most parking matters have been "decriminalised" and are dealt with by Local Authorities. Whether they would involve the police when driving on the pavement was alleged is anybody's guess. S172 notices must be served "by or on behalf of a chief officer of police" and I doubt any chief officers would devolve that power to council wallahs.
    Originally posted by TooManyPoints
    I think you should have typed could, I very much doubt the police have ever served a notice for driving on the footpath as a result of a stationary vehicle.
    • happyandcontented
    • By happyandcontented 15th Jan 20, 6:07 PM
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    If the 'footpath' is privately owned unadopted land you can park on it without it being an issue.
    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 15th Jan 20, 6:56 PM
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    Yes, provided the police were involved, a notice under S172 of the Road Traffic Act would be served on the Registered Keeper of the vehicle, requiring him to provide the driver's details. Failure to comply (subject to any satisfactory defence) would see a conviction, six points, a hefty fine and considerably increased insurance premiums.
    Originally posted by TooManyPoints

    Yes, in the TV program the officer took a photo and then filled in all the paperwork at the station. It did that to six cars all in a row. The would pay his wages for the day.

    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 15th Jan 20, 7:01 PM
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    But itís not a parking matter, itís driving on the footpath.
    Originally posted by Car 54

    PCSOs (Police Community Support Officers) are now able to use police powers to enforce the offence of obstruction.

    • Shaun of the Dead
    • By Shaun of the Dead 15th Jan 20, 7:08 PM
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    Yes, in the TV program the officer took a photo and then filled in all the paperwork at the station. It did that to six cars all in a row. The would pay his wages for the day.
    Originally posted by sevenhills
    It might do if they got the money but they don't.
    • TooManyPoints
    • By TooManyPoints 15th Jan 20, 7:21 PM
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    Yes "could" is better than "would" (serve a S172 notice). I agree that it becomes a driving rather than a parking matter. The difficulty would be getting anybody other than the LA interested. I quite agree with Shaun - it would very unusual for police to become involved. I was simply describing the mechanics that might be used.
    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 15th Jan 20, 10:11 PM
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    In my local area a van was towed today, parked totally blocking the pavement. Very unusual.

    • Car 54
    • By Car 54 15th Jan 20, 10:27 PM
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    PCSOs (Police Community Support Officers) are now able to use police powers to enforce the offence of obstruction.
    Originally posted by sevenhills
    Quite so. What has that got to do with the offence of driving on the footpath?
    • unholyangel
    • By unholyangel 15th Jan 20, 10:54 PM
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    Can't see what good its going to do. Already illegal to park on double yellow lines, cycle lanes, taxi ranks, zigzag lines at crossings etc yet people still do it in their droves because there simply isn't enough resources to fully enforce it.

    More revenue maker than solution.

    If you want people to do something, you need to make it more convenient for them (and preferably more convenient than the status quo).
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    • Norman Castle
    • By Norman Castle 16th Jan 20, 9:49 AM
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    Parking as the blue Corrolla has has increased in recent years and is a very justified reason for complaint. Selfish stupidity.


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    • silverwhistle
    • By silverwhistle 16th Jan 20, 12:57 PM
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    Parking as the blue Corrolla has has increased in recent years and is a very justified reason for complaint. Selfish stupidity.
    Originally posted by Norman Castle

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