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    • Stimson89
    • By Stimson89 14th Jan 20, 8:43 PM
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    Flat heating
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    Flat heating 14th Jan 20 at 8:43 PM
    So looking to buy a flat but the flat only has convection heaters in the flat? Is this an odd choice and how much a month do you think this will cost?

    I was also thinking of installing storage heaters how much would this cost to install?

    Thanks all.
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    • Gerry1
    • By Gerry1 14th Jan 20, 9:46 PM
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    You should think again. It's not the capital cost that will bankrupt you, it's the running costs. Unless you're retired, they will be hot and wasting expensive energy at times when they're not needed, and they'll be coolling down in the evening when they're most needed.

    If you use full price daytime electricity instead (panel radiators, fan heaters etc) that's about the most expensive energy around.
    • Richie-from-the-Boro
    • By Richie-from-the-Boro 14th Jan 20, 11:02 PM
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    • 14th Jan 20, 11:02 PM
    So looking to buy a flat but the flat only has convection heaters in the flat? Is this an odd choice and how much a month do you think this will cost?

    I was also thinking of installing storage heaters how much would this cost to install?

    Thanks all.
    Originally posted by Stimson89
    Welcome to the forum Stimson89.

    I'm assuming you like most who ask the question are 'off gas'

    - short term and out all day, suck it and see for these cold months
    - retirement you need an E7 night store heaters and tariff
    - ensure enough kWh + are installed for comfort
    - you will also install night store water heating I assume
    - you will be on a "deemed (expensive standard) tariff by default
    - you will need to transfer to the cheapest provider/tariff
    - learn to use NSH, close damper tight, fill to your needs
    - they come in 9-13 brick size and are THE cheapest form/electric

    40 years use, retired, 8500kWhpa, 60/30 night day use 1.1+k cost. Want more info ask. Best of luck.
    Disclaimer : Everything I write on this forum is my opinion. I try to be an even-handed poster and accept that you at times may not agree with these opinions or how I choose to express them, this is not my problem. The Disabled : If years cannot be added to their lives, at least life can be added to their years - Alf Morris - ℜ
    • RelievedSheff
    • By RelievedSheff 15th Jan 20, 8:10 AM
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    Electric heating is by far and away the most expensive form of heating. Is there no gas supply to the flat?

    Personally I would not buy any property that could only have electric heating as it is a sure fire way of spending far too much money on heating.
    • A. Badger
    • By A. Badger 15th Jan 20, 10:34 AM
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    Electric heating is by far and away the most expensive form of heating. Is there no gas supply to the flat?

    Personally I would not buy any property that could only have electric heating as it is a sure fire way of spending far too much money on heating.
    Originally posted by RelievedSheff
    This is something that needs repeating - especially as the government has been browbeaten by noisy and unrepresentative 'Greens' into planning an all electric future for us.

    I am with the above poster - I simply would not consider buying an all electric property. Storage radiators and E7 guarantee you hot mornings and shivering evenings in my experience (whatever gimmicks they contain and regardless of the sales pitch) while the Catch 22 of sky high daytime rates make your evening supplementary heating cripplingly expensive - likewise using any domestic appliances you may have.
    • m0bov
    • By m0bov 15th Jan 20, 11:29 AM
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    I have a large 3 story townhouse that's all electric, we tried underfloor but it was very costly and by the evening was getting cool.

    We now use normal cheap flat rate electric and QRAD Dimples radiators, turned to 21C and only coming on when needed.
    • Swipe
    • By Swipe 15th Jan 20, 11:40 AM
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    I have a large 3 story townhouse that's all electric, we tried underfloor but it was very costly and by the evening was getting cool.

    We now use normal cheap flat rate electric and QRAD Dimples radiators, turned to 21C and only coming on when needed.
    Originally posted by m0bov

    How many annual kWh does that setup consume?
    • m0bov
    • By m0bov 15th Jan 20, 12:46 PM
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    A lot! We stopped using the underfloor. It was on E10, then we went E7 now just normal. Afraid the estate does not have Gas, typical 60s developments.
    • A. Badger
    • By A. Badger 15th Jan 20, 1:13 PM
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    A lot! We stopped using the underfloor. It was on E10, then we went E7 now just normal. Afraid the estate does not have Gas, typical 60s developments.
    Originally posted by m0bov
    Not just 1960s developments I'm afraid. The great British public seems blissfully unaware that gas will no longer be allowed to be installed in new builds from 2025, forcing householders into 'fuel poverty'.
    • PasturesNew
    • By PasturesNew 15th Jan 20, 1:24 PM
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    Although gas is cheaper to run, it has higher ongoing costs than electric, so it depends on your lifestyle/size of the flat.

    Even if the block had gas, a boiler will last, say, 10 years, so there's 300/year. A boiler will want servicing once a year and might need a few small repairs over the years, call that 100/year. Some people will want to buy an insurance policy for breakdowns, call that 240/year.

    So, before you turn on your gas heating it's costing 60-70/month.

    How much leccy will that buy you? 2/day is about 16 units. Unless you're growing orchids, if there's mainly you/using one room, 16 units is more than sufficient to be warm.... and, with leccy, you only use it when you need it, whereas a gas boiler's depreciating/deteriorating and costing money in insurance or saving for repairs, every day (summer and winter).

    Then there's all that "worry about leaks" - and what/whether you should turn it off if you're going away for some days/weeks.

    On the other hand, some people live in 3 bed houses and like to have their heating on to 24C five hours a day!
    • harrys66
    • By harrys66 15th Jan 20, 3:06 PM
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    My advice ... spend majority of the money on insulation and get some cheap convertor heaters like these https://www.argos.co.uk/product/7254220 with a built in thermostat


    Then spend all your monies on ...


    1) New carpets with good quality underlay or laminate with good quality underlay insulation boards


    2) Good quality curtains with an additional secondary thermal lining


    3) Same curtains over your front/back door


    Then put the heaters on wall socket timers to suit your lifestyle


    If your in at different times, get some of these instead of the timers so you can control your heaters before you come home https://www.screwfix.com/p/tcp-wissinwuk-smart-plug-white/231hk
    • Gerry1
    • By Gerry1 15th Jan 20, 3:16 PM
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    It makes far more sense to find a property with GCH than lumber yourself with the millstone of being all-electric. The money otherwise needlessly squandered on high electricity bills can be used to pay off the mortgage more quickly, or to allow you to get a bigger mortage in the first place.
    • m0bov
    • By m0bov 15th Jan 20, 6:01 PM
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    Not just 1960s developments I'm afraid. The great British public seems blissfully unaware that gas will no longer be allowed to be installed in new builds from 2025, forcing householders into 'fuel poverty'.
    Originally posted by A. Badger
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