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    • RealBobbyDazzler
    • By RealBobbyDazzler 13th Jan 20, 1:12 PM
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    What is this mounted above the VAS sign?
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    • 13th Jan 20, 1:12 PM
    What is this mounted above the VAS sign? 13th Jan 20 at 1:12 PM
    Spotted this mounted ontop of a VAS in Tewkesbury on the A46 in a 30 yesterday.

    What is the secondary camera on the top? I know the VAS has a camera built into it already.

    Had to post photos here as upload wasn’t working - https://imgur.com/a/TARoHjp

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    • shaun from Africa
    • By shaun from Africa 13th Jan 20, 2:13 PM
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    • 13th Jan 20, 2:13 PM
    Some of them do appear to have an external sensor to detect:

    http://www.pwssigns.com/vehicle-activated-signs#!prettyPhoto
    • RealBobbyDazzler
    • By RealBobbyDazzler 13th Jan 20, 2:21 PM
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    • 13th Jan 20, 2:21 PM
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    • 13th Jan 20, 2:21 PM
    I've been looking for 2 days now as slightly concerned.. I've never seen anything like it but have stumbled across this identical looking one used as a speed camera in Stroud (20 minutes away from Tewskesbury) in the typical yellow speed camera colour. Looks same shape/size to me... just this one's black and more discreet.

    https://www.stroudnewsandjournal.co.uk/news/14382929.hi-tech-a46-speed-camera-should-be-used-at-a-better-spot-says-stroud-mum/

    It seems to say it's a speed camera, but possibly not able to prosecute with it.. maybe due to no secondary check or accuracy. Strange how I find nothing else on it apart from that one post.
    • DUTR
    • By DUTR 13th Jan 20, 3:58 PM
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    • 13th Jan 20, 3:58 PM
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    • 13th Jan 20, 3:58 PM
    Spotted this mounted ontop of a VAS in Tewkesbury on the A46 in a 30 yesterday.

    What is the secondary camera on the top? I know the VAS has a camera built into it already.

    Had to post photos here as upload wasn’t working - https://imgur.com/a/TARoHjp

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    Originally posted by RealBobbyDazzler
    It just looks like an infra red torch to me.
    • unholyangel
    • By unholyangel 13th Jan 20, 9:37 PM
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    • 13th Jan 20, 9:37 PM
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    • 13th Jan 20, 9:37 PM
    Isn't it just the sensor it uses to determine speed and therefore whether it should light up the sign below and warn the driver to slow down?
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    • RealBobbyDazzler
    • By RealBobbyDazzler 14th Jan 20, 10:23 AM
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    • 14th Jan 20, 10:23 AM
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    • 14th Jan 20, 10:23 AM
    Isn't it just the sensor it uses to determine speed and therefore whether it should light up the sign below and warn the driver to slow down?
    Originally posted by unholyangel
    No, that's mounted within the sign if you look closely. I've spent a few days looking myself now and believe it's this in black - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-35835674

    Looks like it is a speed camera, but one that doesn't issue fines only warnings on 'educating' drivers - perhaps why it's black here not yellow as not for enforcement.

    Learn something new everyday.
    • CardinalWolsey
    • By CardinalWolsey 14th Jan 20, 11:04 AM
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    • 14th Jan 20, 11:04 AM
    Surely speed cameras should be larger, more visible and prominently mounted? I've always understood their purpose to be speed reduction, and not revenue generation. Whilst they are only sending warning letters at the moment, the implication is they could start issuing NIPs. For me, this comes across as a cash cow rather than safety measure.
    • RealBobbyDazzler
    • By RealBobbyDazzler 14th Jan 20, 12:01 PM
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    • 14th Jan 20, 12:01 PM
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    • 14th Jan 20, 12:01 PM
    Surely speed cameras should be larger, more visible and prominently mounted? I've always understood their purpose to be speed reduction, and not revenue generation. Whilst they are only sending warning letters at the moment, the implication is they could start issuing NIPs. For me, this comes across as a cash cow rather than safety measure.
    Originally posted by CardinalWolsey
    I agree, it's all revenue based regardless of what's said. I don't condone speeding, and believe they should monitor speeds outside schools etc.

    Speed camera vans parked catching people going from a 60 to a 30 right on the start of the 30 in a low risk zone is what bugs me, if it was for safety - flashing other motorists to alert them of a camera van wouldn't be illegal as you're actually slowing people down, the whole idea right.. sadly not when no £ collected haha.
    • Bonniepurple
    • By Bonniepurple 14th Jan 20, 7:40 PM
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    • 14th Jan 20, 7:40 PM
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    • 14th Jan 20, 7:40 PM
    I wondered whether the speed camera on the A38 at Cambridge (tiny village in Gloucestershire, not the University City!) had competition for a minute. The Cambridge camera currently has Tigger, a Nutcracker, a decoy duck and some mistletoe as accessories.!
    • Ergates
    • By Ergates 14th Jan 20, 9:19 PM
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    I've spent a few days looking myself now and believe it's this in black - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-35835674
    Originally posted by RealBobbyDazzler
    Look again, they're different. The camera has it's "spots" (lenses, lights etc) position in 2 almost horizontal lines - like the spots on a dice. The "thing" on the sign has it's "spots" positioned symetrically around the edge. Also, the spots on the camera are much larger.
    • unholyangel
    • By unholyangel 14th Jan 20, 10:58 PM
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    No, that's mounted within the sign if you look closely. I've spent a few days looking myself now and believe it's this in black - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-35835674

    Looks like it is a speed camera, but one that doesn't issue fines only warnings on 'educating' drivers - perhaps why it's black here not yellow as not for enforcement.

    Learn something new everyday.
    Originally posted by RealBobbyDazzler
    What is a speed camera, if not a speed sensor?

    It needs to be able to measure that speed to know when to display the message.

    https://trl.co.uk/sites/default/files/TRL548.pdf

    Public opinions
    Nearly 450 drivers took part in opinion surveys at three
    locations in Norfolk and one in Wiltshire. Two locations
    had a speed limit roundel (20mph and 40mph) and two had
    a junction sign. Most of these drivers drove regularly past
    the relevant sign. Opinions were sought about the four sign
    types, some of which might be thought to be associated
    with enforcement, by showing photographs of each type of
    sign. (The roundel signs were pictured with and without a
    microwave detector head, which could be thought to be a
    speed enforcement camera
    .)
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    • RealBobbyDazzler
    • By RealBobbyDazzler 15th Jan 20, 9:25 AM
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    What is a speed camera, if not a speed sensor?

    It needs to be able to measure that speed to know when to display the message.

    https://trl.co.uk/sites/default/files/TRL548.pdf
    Originally posted by unholyangel
    The sign already has it's speed sensor built in, they only have a camera above if the sensor isn't built into the sign (it's the round circle above where 30 would flash). Also, the cameras these signs usually have if not already built in are tiny. Not like this, possibly ANPR or a speed survey type camera.
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