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    • Tallaght
    • By Tallaght 9th Dec 19, 6:00 PM
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    Avanti west coast
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    • 9th Dec 19, 6:00 PM
    Avanti west coast 9th Dec 19 at 6:00 PM
    Has anyone used these and what was the experience like ?
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    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 9th Dec 19, 6:05 PM
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    They only started yesterday.

    I suspect at the moment the service is identical to that supplied by Virgin West Coast last week.
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    • gozaimasu
    • By gozaimasu 9th Dec 19, 6:05 PM
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    • 9th Dec 19, 6:05 PM
    Surely it'll be the same as Virgin, they keep the same staff via TUPE and the same pendolino trains. The only thing that changes is the livery and maybe the food menu in first class? It depends who provides the food, usually RG group so that contract might still be in place too.
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    • Nelski
    • By Nelski 9th Dec 19, 6:25 PM
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    • 9th Dec 19, 6:25 PM
    Personally I was sad to see Virgin go being a weekly user but all does look the same so far except the app which doesn't have the facility to choose you're seats. Not a biggy but if you're booking for a group it may be an issue.

    Oh and I hate the colours
    • tealady
    • By tealady 9th Dec 19, 6:26 PM
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    • 9th Dec 19, 6:26 PM
    Just used them today.
    A lovely free cake at the station, no ticket inspector on the train but there was a very polite rubbish collector.
    Didnt notice any difference in the quality of service from Virgin except in their delay / repay it's and c's.
    Hope all the nice Virgin staff I have met over the years have been redeployed.
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    • Tigsteroonie
    • By Tigsteroonie 9th Dec 19, 6:31 PM
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    I wouldn't judge the experience until they've been running at least two weeks - at the moment they are in the "trying to impress" phase (hence the free cake)
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    • Tallaght
    • By Tallaght 10th Dec 19, 10:36 AM
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    Third class train travel is set to return to Britain for the first time since the 1950s as standard-tier is bumped down to make way for a 'premium economy' carriage with bigger seats.
    The new middle-way experience will allow passengers to treat themselves to an upgrade without having to fork out for the luxuries in first.
    This extra class will be part of a souped-up service from Avanti West Coast which on Sunday replaced Richard Branson's Virgin Trains on the West Coast Main Line.
    Premium economy customers will enjoy larger seats, faster wifi and snacks, rather than the meal offered to those in first class.
    • ibizafan
    • By ibizafan 10th Dec 19, 2:06 PM
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    • 10th Dec 19, 2:06 PM
    I used Avanti yesterday from Rugby to Euston on an advance ticket. I had an email from Virgin explaining that nothing had changed concerning my ticket and seat reservations, and this was indeed the case. The trains were the usual Pendolinos. I never got a free cake though!
    • giraffe69
    • By giraffe69 10th Dec 19, 4:59 PM
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    • 10th Dec 19, 4:59 PM
    Third class train travel is set to return to Britain for the first time since the 1950s as standard-tier is bumped down to make way for a 'premium economy' carriage with bigger seats.
    Have you any evidence that standard class will deteriorate as and when "premium economy" comes in or is that just your way of making the story seem more interesting/controversial?
    • Tigsteroonie
    • By Tigsteroonie 10th Dec 19, 5:07 PM
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    Some of Northern Rail's customers (those on Pacers) would probably argue that they already have third class rail travel ...
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    • Highland76
    • By Highland76 11th Dec 19, 12:00 PM
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    Premium economy customers will enjoy larger seats, faster wifi and snacks, rather than the meal offered to those in first class.
    Originally posted by Tallaght
    Eh? When I travelled in First Class on a Virgin Train (Glasgow>London) recently, i was just offered drinks, snacks and a sandwich. Hardly a "meal"
    • NBLondon
    • By NBLondon 12th Dec 19, 4:45 PM
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    Does it depend on time of day? Breakfast vs Afternoon Tea vs Supper? Were you hoping for three courses with a sorbet in between?
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    • yorkie2
    • By yorkie2 15th Dec 19, 4:01 PM
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    There is no seat selector on the Avanti website, which was a major own-goal as many people used the popular seat selector on Virgin Trains' website.


    It is still possible to use a seat selector for Avanti services, by using a third party website, but not if you book through Avanti's own website.
    • gapster13
    • By gapster13 27th Dec 19, 1:25 AM
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    For me the change has been awful. With Virgin I was getting a student discount via unidays which avanti haven't taken on.



    Any ideas on how I can cut down my fare? I'm studying with the open

    university but this doesn't allow me to get a railcard.


    Any train workarounds, travelling from london euston to manchester piccadilly?
    • yorkie2
    • By yorkie2 28th Dec 19, 12:28 AM
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    For me the change has been awful. With Virgin I was getting a student discount via unidays which avanti haven't taken on.



    Any ideas on how I can cut down my fare? I'm studying with the open

    university but this doesn't allow me to get a railcard.


    Any train workarounds, travelling from london euston to manchester piccadilly?
    Originally posted by gapster13
    Yes; try Trainsplit.com, especially if travelling at "peak" times.


    In "Fast" mode you will just get Avanti trains (but the prices may be cheaper than Avanti charge for a through fare); in "Cheap" mode you will sometimes find cheaper options using other train companies.


    Tip: when the journey is in your basket, click "Choose My Seat" to access their seat selector
    Last edited by yorkie2; 28-12-2019 at 12:30 AM.
    • bap98189
    • By bap98189 2nd Jan 20, 2:36 PM
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    Any ideas on how I can cut down my fare? I'm studying with the open university but this doesn't allow me to get a railcard.

    Any train workarounds, travelling from london euston to manchester piccadilly?
    Originally posted by gapster13
    Look at travelling via Crewe. If you travel via Crewe you can catch the London Northwestern trains from Euston to Crewe. They are slower, and you will have to change trains at Crewe, but you can usually get the Euston - Crewe leg for a fraction of the price of the Virgin train. Look at prices for the Euston - Crewe leg and you'll see what I mean.

    For the Crewe - Piccadilly leg, you can sometimes get Northern advance fairs for 1.
    Last edited by bap98189; 06-01-2020 at 5:31 PM.
    • jbuchanangb
    • By jbuchanangb 2nd Jan 20, 9:49 PM
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    @gapster13 For example. London Euston to Manchester Piccadilly 13.80.

    LNR Advance Euston to Crewe 9.00
    Northern Advance Crewe to Manchester 4.80

    Available for next Monday departing Euston at 08.46, arriving Manchester 12.17 and at hourly intervals thereafter. Change at Crewe and Alderley Edge.

    If you book with trainsplit they will ask you for a small fee as a percentage of the whopping saving. The walkup single fare would have been 180.
    • Tallaght
    • By Tallaght 15th Jan 20, 1:41 PM
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    Have many people now used Avanti west coast since its launch date ?
    Did it go well ?
    • tealady
    • By tealady 15th Jan 20, 3:24 PM
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    Have many people now used Avanti west coast since its launch date ?
    Did it go well ?
    Originally posted by Tallaght
    Used it several times. No better, no worse than Virgin.
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    • Pennywise
    • By Pennywise 15th Jan 20, 5:15 PM
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    Used it several times. No better, no worse than Virgin.
    Originally posted by tealady
    Which is hardly surprising - same trains, same staff. Not sure why people are expecting any changes so soon. At best, there'll just be minor changes/tweaks in the short term, such as trivialities like slightly different meals etc maybe. New trains are on order but won't be seen for 2/3 years and the Pendolinos will be with us for many years to come anyway.
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