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    • mustoofa
    • By mustoofa 14th Apr 19, 12:24 PM
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    Self Assessment disappeared !
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    • 14th Apr 19, 12:24 PM
    Self Assessment disappeared ! 14th Apr 19 at 12:24 PM
    My Mrs and I filed our self assessments for year ending March 2018 on 10th May 2018.
    Upon getting the tax figures, we Paid the taxes using HMRC's online portal. We got email receipts etc for the payments made.



    Now my Mrs has got a notice saying that she has been fined a 100 Penalty for not filing Self Assessments before the 31 Jan 2019 Deadline. So we are a bit surprised. On HMRC's portal, we see that there is no tax return for last year. It's just disappeared !

    However the Portal shows the tax calculations for last year and it also shows all the taxes paid !
    Unfortunately, we cannot find the confirmation email that you get when you submit your self assessment online and we did not download a copy as well thinking it's safer on hmrc's website (lesson learnt).

    For now, We have paid the 100 penalty.

    What would you suggest we do ?
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    • 00ec25
    • By 00ec25 14th Apr 19, 1:13 PM
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    • 14th Apr 19, 1:13 PM
    without the "IR Mark" (submission reference number) as proof of submission, it appears to be a case of your computer against their computer

    not that unusual. In our case I'm still waiting for them to show a tax return submitted last November for which they agree they received it but it is "lost in the system" and has been referred to "technical" who, needless to say, have not been in touch.
    • mustoofa
    • By mustoofa 14th Apr 19, 7:16 PM
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    • 14th Apr 19, 7:16 PM
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    • 14th Apr 19, 7:16 PM
    This is really alarming. I never expected HMRC's IT to be this shoddy. I am now downloading everything on their website to my computer...
    • dales1
    • By dales1 14th Apr 19, 9:39 PM
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    • 14th Apr 19, 9:39 PM
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    • 14th Apr 19, 9:39 PM
    the Portal shows the tax calculations for last year and it also shows all the taxes paid !
    Originally posted by mustoofa
    Well if those HMRC calculations have included her CORRECT income details for that year (and assuming those details include income sources and amounts known only to herself and not HMRC because she is in self-assessment) then those figures can only have come from her tax return. Yet HMRC say they have received no tax return at all (hence the penalty).

    If all this is the case, then you seem to have rock-solid grounds for appealing the penalty.
    • Dazed and confused
    • By Dazed and confused 14th Apr 19, 10:30 PM
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    • 14th Apr 19, 10:30 PM
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    • 14th Apr 19, 10:30 PM
    The op may have started to complete the details but not actually have submitted the final version?
    • mustoofa
    • By mustoofa 15th Apr 19, 7:12 AM
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    • 15th Apr 19, 7:12 AM
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    • 15th Apr 19, 7:12 AM
    That was my first thought as well. But I clearly remember submitting it. Also, as @dales1 mentioned above, the figures can't come on their own. Plus me paying the exact tax on it !
    • uknick
    • By uknick 15th Apr 19, 8:05 AM
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    • 15th Apr 19, 8:05 AM
    I'd write to HMRC enclosing proof of payment, e.g bank statement extract, Can't see how they'd argue against that.
    • mustoofa
    • By mustoofa 15th Apr 19, 8:18 AM
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    • 15th Apr 19, 8:18 AM
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    • 15th Apr 19, 8:18 AM
    I have appealed against the penalty. Lets see what they come back with. I'll post the outcomes here.
    • 01afraser4
    • By 01afraser4 15th Apr 19, 11:59 AM
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    • 15th Apr 19, 11:59 AM
    I am assuming that our wife is not a partner in a partnership? That can often confuse matters as a late filing penalty is issued to each named partner if a partnership return is filed late despite their own personal tax return being filed.

    Other than that, I cannot imagine how your wife has a tax calculation without a return being held. Was the return potentially unlogged due to missing information?
    • purdyoaten2
    • By purdyoaten2 15th Apr 19, 3:57 PM
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    I am assuming that our wife is not a partner in a partnership? That can often confuse matters as a late filing penalty is issued to each named partner if a partnership return is filed late despite their own personal tax return being filed.

    Other than that, I cannot imagine how your wife has a tax calculation without a return being held. Was the return potentially unlogged due to missing information?
    Originally posted by 01afraser4
    The calculation will be available to view whether finally submitted or not.

    The real question is, when one logs in, whether there is a submission date alongside the year in question. Furthermore - did the op receive an e-mail to confirm receipt?
    • mustoofa
    • By mustoofa 15th Apr 19, 4:16 PM
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    The calculation will be available to view whether finally submitted or not."
    I don't think that's true because the calculations won't be presented/confirmed until you have submitted the returns?

    I cannot upload an image here, but if you log into Self Assessment and on the left hand side, click on View Account > Tax years, this is what you get.


    Tax year overview


    Please select the appropriate tax year you wish to view a summary for from the drop-down menu and click 'Go'.

    Tax year ending:


    Income Tax Status : UK You can also view tax returns due/received by following Tax return options.


    Tax year ending 05 Apr 2018.


    This is a copy of the information held on your official online Self Assessment tax account with HM Revenue and Customs.
    • Print your tax year overview

    Please note: To view a breakdown of an amount, follow the appropriate link in the 'Description' column.
    Description
    Amount ()
    Tax xxxx.xx

    Surcharges 0.00

    Interest 0.00

    Penalties 100.00

    Sub total xxxx.xx (This total includes the Penalty now)

    Less payments for this year xxxx.xx

    Less other adjustments 0.00

    Total 100.00
    • polymaff
    • By polymaff 15th Apr 19, 5:46 PM
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    Tell us what


    https://imgur.com/xWqCNBg


    shows.
    • mustoofa
    • By mustoofa 15th Apr 19, 8:27 PM
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    • ChuckMountain
    • By ChuckMountain 18th Apr 19, 10:49 AM
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    The calculation will be available to view whether finally submitted or not."
    I don't think that's true because the calculations won't be presented/confirmed until you have submitted the returns?
    Originally posted by mustoofa
    No you can see the calculation once you have completed all the information. This allows you to check what you have entered is correct etc. You still have to submit it.
    • sheramber
    • By sheramber 19th Apr 19, 9:04 PM
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    The tax summary in post 13 shows only part completed and not received.
    That would imply that the final click to submit has not been done.
    • csgohan4
    • By csgohan4 20th Apr 19, 10:49 AM
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    The tax summary in post 13 shows only part completed and not received.
    That would imply that the final click to submit has not been done.
    Originally posted by sheramber
    correct, even has a button for 'continue with return'

    fine looks like correct
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    • polymaff
    • By polymaff 20th Apr 19, 11:20 AM
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    However the Portal shows the tax calculations for last year and it also shows all the taxes paid !
    Originally posted by mustoofa

    Yes, but on which page? "Portal" and "last year" are ambiguous terms.

    Later in the thread you show the page Tax Years. Is this the page you mean? If so then the Tax field fills with HMRC's own estimate well before you submit an SA Return - so a number being there doesn't imply that they've had a return from you, as you seemed to claim in this quote:.

    I don't think that's true because the calculations won't be presented/confirmed until you have submitted the returns?
    Originally posted by mustoofa
    Last edited by polymaff; 20-04-2019 at 11:27 AM.
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