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    • MSE Callum
    • By MSE Callum 12th Oct 18, 4:13 PM
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    Travellers face Eurostar disruption if there's no Brexit deal - MSE News
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    • 12th Oct 18, 4:13 PM
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    Travellers face Eurostar disruption if there's no Brexit deal - MSE News 12th Oct 18 at 4:13 PM
    Eurostar travellers face disruption if there's a no-deal Brexit, and subscribers to services such as Netflix and Spotify may not be able use them while abroad...
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    'Travellers face Eurostar disruption if there's no Brexit deal'

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    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 12th Oct 18, 4:30 PM
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    More sensational reporting on Brexit.

    To quote from your own article:-

    A spokesperson for Eurostar said: "We are having constructive conversations with the governments on Brexit and will continue to do so.

    "At this point in time, we plan and expect to maintain services on the existing basis and timetable following Brexit."

    In the event of a deal it is hoped that services wouldn't be disrupted. The Government says that "given the large amount of trade and citizens travelling" on cross-border services, it hopes an agreement can be made.

    Netflix has hit back and said: "UK Netflix subscribers are able to access Netflix everywhere in the world that Netflix is available and will continue to do so once the UK leaves the EU."
    • MSE Callum
    • By MSE Callum 12th Oct 18, 4:32 PM
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    Do you not think perhaps the companies that may have their services affected by Brexit would perhaps have at least some interest in playing down the effect it'll have on them Nick? Not saying they're wrong but these papers cover for the worst case scenario...
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    • theonlywayisup
    • By theonlywayisup 12th Oct 18, 4:36 PM
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    Do you not think perhaps the companies that may have their services affected by Brexit would perhaps have at least some interest in playing down the effect it'll have on them Nick? Not saying they're wrong but these papers cover for the worst case scenario...
    Originally posted by MSE Callum
    Or do you think you are sensationalising something that doesn't have a quantifiable outcome yet?
    • MSE Callum
    • By MSE Callum 12th Oct 18, 4:48 PM
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    Or do you think you are sensationalising something that doesn't have a quantifiable outcome yet?
    Originally posted by theonlywayisup
    The papers are about what could happen if there's no deal as it says in the headline. Would it be more responsible to publish nothing - no possible outcome or possible scenario at all - until after it actually happens, or let people know, with caveats so they can prepare?
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    • theonlywayisup
    • By theonlywayisup 12th Oct 18, 4:57 PM
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    The papers are about what could happen if there's no deal as it says in the headline. Would it be more responsible to publish nothing - no possible outcome or possible scenario at all - until after it actually happens, or let people know, with caveats so they can prepare?
    Originally posted by MSE Callum
    The headline is actually what I take issue with. It's sensationalism at it's best.

    Prepare for what? Netflix when you're outside the UK......

    Eurostar? You know there was a time we didn't have it....

    Is it more responsible to publish nothing? Perhaps, if the alternative is scare mongering, then yes. But I don't read MSE for it's political content or balanced reporting......thankfully.
    • jackieblack
    • By jackieblack 12th Oct 18, 5:03 PM
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    The papers are about what could happen if there's no deal as it says in the headline. Would it be more responsible to publish nothing - no possible outcome or possible scenario at all - until after it actually happens, or let people know, with caveats so they can prepare?
    Originally posted by MSE Callum
    Lots of things could happen.
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    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 12th Oct 18, 5:04 PM
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    The sensationalism is in the headline.

    And at a time when Remainers are conspiring to frustrate the democratic decision of the UK Electorate, this sort of reporting annoys people.

    You could have factually stated "The Government has published the latest in a series of papers on what might happen if we leave the EU without an agreement. These latest papers cover transportation and broadcasting.

    You might even have provided a link to the papers.

    But that would not have been sensational.

    Or you could have said the Government has published its latest impact assessments on Brexit, but remain confident that a deal will be reached.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/how-to-prepare-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-with-no-deal#history
    • theonlywayisup
    • By theonlywayisup 12th Oct 18, 5:10 PM
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    The sensationalism is in the headline.

    And at a time when Remainers are conspiring to frustrate the democratic decision of the UK Electorate, this sort of reporting annoys people.

    You could have factually stated "The Government has published the latest in a series of papers on what might happen if we leave the EU without an agreement. These latest papers cover transportation and broadcasting.

    You might even have provided a link to the papers.

    But that would not have been sensational.

    Or you could have said the Government has published its latest impact assessments on Brexit, but remain confident that a deal will be reached.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/how-to-prepare-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-with-no-deal#history
    Originally posted by Nick_C
    Nick, that would not have caused the stir that MSE "reports" like to provoke.

    I despair at this site sometimes, it's like going back to Kindergarten.
    • jackieblack
    • By jackieblack 12th Oct 18, 5:16 PM
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    The sensationalism is in the headline.

    And at a time when Remainers are conspiring to frustrate the democratic decision of the UK Electorate, this sort of reporting annoys people.

    You could have factually stated "The Government has published the latest in a series of papers on what might happen if we leave the EU without an agreement. These latest papers cover transportation and broadcasting.

    You might even have provided a link to the papers.

    But that would not have been sensational.

    Or you could have said the Government has published its latest impact assessments on Brexit, but remain confident that a deal will be reached.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/how-to-prepare-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-with-no-deal#history
    Originally posted by Nick_C


    Nor that would be responsible balanced, informative reporting!
    Last edited by jackieblack; 12-10-2018 at 5:21 PM.
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    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 12th Oct 18, 5:18 PM
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    Nick, that would not have caused the stir that MSE "reports" like to provoke.

    I despair at this site sometimes, it's like going back to Kindergarten.
    Originally posted by theonlywayisup
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    • zagfles
    • By zagfles 12th Oct 18, 6:46 PM
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    The papers are about what could happen if there's no deal as it says in the headline. Would it be more responsible to publish nothing - no possible outcome or possible scenario at all - until after it actually happens, or let people know, with caveats so they can prepare?
    Originally posted by MSE Callum
    Thank you for publishing this, and please carry on publishing stories like this, suggest you ignore the odd few whingers who seem to get very defensive at any hint that Brexit might have any negative consequence. We need to be prepared, just like with passports etc.
    • jackieblack
    • By jackieblack 12th Oct 18, 7:20 PM
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    Thank you for publishing this, and please carry on publishing stories like this, suggest you ignore the odd few whingers who seem to get very defensive at any hint that Brexit might have any negative consequence. We need to be prepared, just like with passports etc.
    Originally posted by zagfles
    I don't have any problem with it being published or with being prepared.
    It's the biased slant and sensationalism that irritates - it's like 'Project Fear' all over again!
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    • waamo
    • By waamo 12th Oct 18, 9:03 PM
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    It's the millennium bug all over again.
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    • zagfles
    • By zagfles 12th Oct 18, 9:39 PM
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    I don't have any problem with it being published or with being prepared.
    It's the biased slant and sensationalism that irritates - it's like 'Project Fear' all over again!
    Originally posted by jackieblack
    Sensationalist? Seriously?? It was "Travellers face disruption" and "Netflix might not work".

    If you think that's "sensational" you need to get out more
    • eDicky
    • By eDicky 12th Oct 18, 9:55 PM
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    The headline is actually what I take issue with. It's sensationalism at it's best.
    Originally posted by theonlywayisup
    The sensationalism is in the headline.
    Originally posted by Nick_C
    There's nothing particularly sensational about Callum's headline, which simply points out a definite possibility. Many people rely on the Eurostar service.

    There is something particularly disturbing about the objection to such an article, a symptom of the extreme denial that anything negative about Brexit should be spoken or published.

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    Last edited by MSE ForumTeam3; 13-10-2018 at 9:20 AM.
    • jackieblack
    • By jackieblack 13th Oct 18, 7:38 AM
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    There's nothing particularly sensational about Callum's headline, which simply points out a definite possibility. Many people rely on the Eurostar service.
    Originally posted by eDicky
    If the headline had been Travellers may face disruption or Travellers face possible disruption, then I would agree. But stating something as fact when it is only a possibility is sensationalism.

    sensationalism
    sɛnˈseɪʃ(ə)n(ə)lɪz(ə)m/
    noun
    1.
    (especially in journalism) the presentation of stories in a way that is intended to provoke public interest or excitement, at the expense of accuracy.
    Last edited by jackieblack; 13-10-2018 at 7:40 AM.
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    • hollydays
    • By hollydays 13th Oct 18, 9:26 AM
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    Storm Callum
    Only jesting
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    • zagfles
    • By zagfles 13th Oct 18, 10:22 AM
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    If the headline had been Travellers may face disruption or Travellers face possible disruption, then I would agree. But stating something as fact when it is only a possibility is sensationalism.

    sensationalism
    sɛnˈseɪʃ(ə)n(ə)lɪz(ə)m/
    noun
    1.
    (especially in journalism) the presentation of stories in a way that is intended to provoke public interest or excitement, at the expense of accuracy.
    Originally posted by jackieblack
    A few months ago the papers were full of headlines like "Travellers Face Chaos as French Air Traffic Controllers Strike Again!" I saw no chaos. But the headlines were useful to grab my attention and look for potential issues with my travel plans. I might not have noticed a headline saying "The occasional flight might be affected by possible air traffic strike".

    The MSE headline is mild in comparison. Even includes an "if" and the article itself is full of "coulds" and "mays". Headlines are supposed to be attention grabbing, that's the point of them.

    But if you don't like it, just stick your fingers in your ears and keep repeating "it's all Project Fear, it's all Project Fear...."
    Last edited by zagfles; 13-10-2018 at 10:50 AM.
    • phatbear
    • By phatbear 13th Oct 18, 10:31 AM
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    , which simply points out a definite possibility.)
    Originally posted by eDicky
    Isnt "definite possibility" a bit of an oxymoron?
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