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    • Knapper
    • By Knapper 9th Aug 18, 4:57 PM
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    The Great Speed Awareness Course Scam
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    • 9th Aug 18, 4:57 PM
    The Great Speed Awareness Course Scam 9th Aug 18 at 4:57 PM
    So you got caught speeding a little, probably no great shakes, maybe doing anywhere from 31mph to 41mph in a 30mph limit (and yes they ARE pulling up people at 31mph !!!!) and they offered you an NSAC (National Speed Awareness Course).


    Sounds great. No points on your licence, no conviction and thus no insurance premium hike right?


    But what is really going on here . . .


    Let me break it down because like me, you've just become the latest victim of what is a MULTI-MILLION POUND SCAM.


    You see in days gone past you'd get stopped by a good old policeman standing at the side of the road. He's a man (or woman) and has judgement, intelligence and no great desire to penalise you unnecessarily. He would tell you your speed, check if you have a license, MOT, insurance and then depending on what speed you were doing and where it occurred he may, or may not, send you off with a caution. He could exercise judgement and sensible impartiality.


    Roll on a few years and now you have dedicated vans driving around whose sole purpose in life is to catch YOU doing anything from 1mph over the speed limit. You also have cameras everywhere. These cameras and people ARE NOT impartial, they don't exercise judgement, they simply record speed and ruthlessly generate Notices Of Intended Prosecution to those they catch.


    They are part of a huge machine which is the MULTI-MILLION POUND BUSINESS I mentioned.


    You must understand that what they are doing is nothing whatsoever to do with speed reduction or engendering better driving skills in the nation. What they are doing is recruiting course participants for their MULTI-MILLION POUND BUSINESS.

    Every participant on average will pay them £90 for the privilege of attending a 4 hour Speed Awareness Course (NSAC). The more participants they generate the more money the business earns.


    In 2017 there were some 1.2 million attendees of these courses. Do the math. That's over £100 MILLION POUNDS these fat cat private businesses are earning from hapless, easy target motorists.


    So what do people expect when they go on these courses?


    Well read a few reviews on the t'internet and you'll find tales of surprise and wonder. Where people thought they would be told off, patronised and subjected to films of horrific car crashes, there was instead much pleasantness and jolly humour and a bit of quizzing thrown in.


    Unfortunately, if you were one of those people who were surprised after attending an NSAC, then frankly you didn't/don't understand what the hell is going on.


    I will say it again, this is a MULTI-MILLION POUND BUSINESS !
    Do you think such a business, as with any other business, would survive if it patronised it's customers and gave them an uncomfortable time? No of course not.


    So these parasitic companies welcome you with words of understanding.
    "We know you don't want to be here"
    they tell you with pseudo empathy and they give you 4 hours of relaxing presentation, group activity and quizzing.


    Understand that the people presenting do NOT work for these private firms operating this MULTI-MILLION POUND BUSINESS. They are simply subcontracted presenters doing a simple job. They would, if you paid them the same £90 for 4 hours, give you a presentation on anything. Even how to best go to the toilet !!


    In the course I attended there were 24 people. Each paying £90. That's a tidy £2160 for the 4 hour session which equates to £540 per hour !!!!


    That's better than the Prime Minister !


    And for that these shameless parasites wouldn't even put on tea and coffee throughout that 4 hour period !


    Understand that the private companies, of which there are many, don't give a flying ***k about your driving habits. They are not in business to make you a better driver. They are in business to take £90 off as many people as they humanly can as quickly as they can before the entire system changes.


    The people at the top of this food chain are literally raking in £millions.


    Let me be clear though. The independent subcontracted presenters are genuine people. They do care and they mostly have good backgrounds. But that should not let you get distracted from the harsh reality that YOU have simply become the latest victim in what is simply a MULTI-MILLION POUND BUSINESS SCAM. A scam perpetrated by the Police (who are getting about £35 out of every £90 paid) and by the private firms.


    If you simply took the fine and points on your license the money would go straight to the Treasury.


    Not long back the Admiral Group of insurance companies were allegedly starting to ask people during the renewal process whether they had attended Speed Awareness Courses and if so treated it just the same as a speeding ticket, upping your premiums. I was told by the course presenters that 4 weeks ago they changed this tack as they were losing business, presumably as people went to insurance companies that didn't ask that question. The problem is however that the insurance companies are NOT getting their cut from this MULTI-MILLION POUND SCAM so the most likely outcome is that they will ALL pretty soon club together and agree to ask about NSACs during the renewal process. Once they ALL start doing that and the public have nowhere else to turn, THEN this entire scam will crumble because for most people there will be no point at all attending a speed awareness course as your insurance will go up anyway. The only people who would attend then would be people with 6 or 9 points already on their license who would go on a course to prevent getting a driving ban.


    The future seems obvious to me. This MULTI-MILLION POUND SCAM has a very finite life span which is doubtless why they are going hell for leather right now to generate as many £90 paying course candidates as they can. The courses are literally fully booked for weeks and months already.


    Right now, the choice is simple. You get offered the course, you take the course because it's not going to affect your insurance premium.


    However pleasant and sickly nice that course is though, understand one thing, you've been totally scammed and made a hapless target by fat cat private firms operating in league with the police to generate £millions.


    If they cared about your driving skills and behaviours one iota they'd be offering free or very cheap courses to ALL the public at ALL times.


    But they don't . . . .


    It's all about the money !
    Last edited by Knapper; 09-08-2018 at 9:03 PM.
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    • Guerillatoker
    • By Guerillatoker 9th Aug 18, 5:04 PM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 5:04 PM
    Recently got my first NIP (well it hasn't arrived yet but hirer has had it) for doing 48mph in a 40mph road at 1:30am on what is practically country road whilst on my way home from work, so I can relate.
    • campbell19925
    • By campbell19925 9th Aug 18, 5:09 PM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 5:09 PM
    Thought this was common sense? It is obviously a money-making scheme,

    But to be honest, just don't speed and you'll be alright.. It's 30 for a reason. If these courses can stop 1 person from causing a road related incident then its worth it? Right?
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 9th Aug 18, 5:13 PM
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    Don't break the law and you won't get scammed.
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    • Guerillatoker
    • By Guerillatoker 9th Aug 18, 5:14 PM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 5:14 PM
    ^^ Definitely people who drive at 60 in the middle lane on the motorway when the left lane is clear ^^
    • keithdc
    • By keithdc 9th Aug 18, 5:24 PM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 5:24 PM
    So you got caught speeding a little, probably no great shakes, maybe doing anywhere from 31mph to 41mph in a 30mph limit (and yes they ARE pulling up people at 31mph !!!!) and they offered you an NSAC (National Speed Awareness Course).


    Sounds great. No points on your licence, no conviction and thus no insurance premium hike right?


    But what is really going on here . . .


    Let me break it down because like me, you've just become the latest victim of what is a MULTI-MILLION POUND SCAM.


    You see in days gone past you'd get stopped by a good old policeman standing at the side of the road. He's a man (or woman) and has judgement, intelligence and no great desire to penalise you unnecessarily. He would tell you your speed, check if you have a license, MOT, insurance and then depending on what speed you were doing and where it occurred he may, or may not, send you off with a caution. He could exercise judgement and sensible impartiality.


    Roll on a few years and now you have dedicated vans driving around whose sole purpose in life is to catch YOU doing anything from 1mph over the speed limit. You also have cameras everywhere. These cameras and people ARE NOT impartial, they don't exercise judgement, they simply record speed and ruthlessly generate Notices Of Intended Prosecution to those they catch.


    They are part of a huge machine which is the MULTI-MILLION POUND BUSINESS I mentioned.


    You must understand that what they are doing is nothing whatsoever to do with speed reduction or engendering better driving skills in the nations. What they are doing is recruiting course participants for their MULTI-MILLION POUND BUSINESS.
    Every participant on average will pay them £90 for the privilege of attending a 4 hour Speed Awareness Course (NSAC). The more participants they generate the more money the business earns.


    In 2017 there were some 1.2 million attendees of these courses. Do the math. That's over £100 MILLION POUNDS these fat cat private businesses are earning from hapless, easy target motorists.


    So what do people expect when they go on these courses?


    Well read a few reviews on the t'internet and you'll find tales of surprise and wonder. Where people thought they would be told off, patronised and subjected to films of horrific car crashes, there was instead much pleasantness and jolly humour and a bit of quizzing thrown in.


    Unfortunately, if you were one of those people who were surprised after attending an NSAC, then frankly you didn't/don't understand what the hell is going on.


    I will say it again, this is a MULTI-MILLION POUND BUSINESS !
    Do you think such a business, as with any other business, would survive if it patronised it's customers and gave them an uncomfortable time? No of course not.


    So these parasitic companies welcome you with words of understanding. "We know you don't want to be here" they tell you with pseudo empathy and they give you 4 hours of relaxing presentation, group activity and quizzing.


    Understand that the people presenting do NOT work for these private firms operating this MULTI-MILLION POUND BUSINESS. They are simply subcontracted presenters doing a simply job. They would, if you paid them the same £90 for 4 hours, give you a presentation on anything. Even how to best go to the toilet !!


    In the course I attended there were 24 people. Each paying £90. That's a tidy £2160 for the 4 hour session which equates to £540 per hour !!!!


    That's better than the Prime Minister !


    And for that these !!!!less parasites wouldn't even put on tea and coffee throughout that 4 hour period !


    Understand that the private companies, of which there are many, don't give a flying ***k about your driving habits. They are not in business to make you a better driver. They are in business to take £90 of as many people as they humanly can as quickly as they an before the entire system changes.


    The people at the top of this food chain are literally raking in £millions.


    Let me be clear though. The independent subcontracted presenters are genuine people. They do care and they mostly have good backgrounds. But that should not let you get distracted from the harsh reality that YOU have simply become the latest victim in what is simply a MULTI-MILLION POUND BUSINESS SCAM. A scam perpetrated by the Police (who are getting about £35 out of every £90 paid) and by the private firms.


    If you simply took the fine and points on your license the money would straight to the Treasury.


    Not long back the Admiral Group of insurance companies were allegedly starting to ask people during the renewal process whether they had attended Speed Awareness Courses and if so treated it just the same as a speeding ticker, upping your premiums. I was told by the course presenters that 4 weeks ago they changed this tack as they were losing business, presumably as people went to insurance companies that didn't ask that question. The problem is however that the insurance companies are NOT getting their cut from this MULTI-MILLION POUND SCAM so the most likely outcome is that they will ALL pretty soon club together and agree to ask about NSACs during the renewal process. Once they ALL start doing that and the public have nowhere else to turn, THEN this entire scam will crumble because for most people there will be no point at all attending a speed awareness course as your insurance will go up anyway. The only people who would attend then would be people with 6 or 9 points already on their license who would go on a course to prevent getting a driving ban.


    The future seems obvious to me. This MULTI-MILLION POUND SCAM has a very finite life span which is doubtless why they are going hell for leather right now to generate as many £90 paying course candidates as they can. The courses are literally fully booked for weeks and months already.


    Right now, the choice is simple. You get offered the course, you take the course because it's not going to affect your insurance premium.


    However pleasant and sickly nice that course is though, understand one thing, you've been totally scammed and made a hapless target by fat cat private firms operating in league with the police to generate £millions.


    If they cared about your driving skills and behaviours one iota they'd be offering free or very cheap courses to ALL the public at ALL times.


    But they don't . . . .


    It's all about the money !
    Originally posted by Knapper
    So, the key issue is that they didn't offer you a cup of tea and they didn't show you a picture of a dead body! Perhaps people learn better in a relaxed environment.

    If you are so principled, there are two options:
    - Don't speed!!!
    - Take the points and fine.
    • Johno100
    • By Johno100 9th Aug 18, 5:39 PM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 5:39 PM
    Don't break the law and you won't get scammed.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    If you are so principled, there are two options:
    - Don't speed!!!
    - Take the points and fine.
    Originally posted by keithdc
    That didn't take long.

    And Keith I actually agree with your second point. If the Road Safety Partnerships (similar names are availbale) didn't receive the surplus income after the course operators had been paid then it is likely that many of the cash cameras and vans would disappear off the roads as the police/local authorities couldn't afford to run them.
    • westernpromise
    • By westernpromise 9th Aug 18, 5:39 PM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 5:39 PM
    Although there is an opportunity for attendees too. You're going to be meeting lawbreakers of the opposite sex who may be quite fanciable and clearly not bound by moral norms, so a bit of wa-hey may be possible.
    Buying a house, if you believe the market has a way to fall, or if you are paying sill asking prices ( like some sheeple ) or if you are buying in London, is now a massive financial gamble!!!!! - June 8, 2012 by TheCountOfNowhere
    • Car 54
    • By Car 54 9th Aug 18, 5:44 PM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 5:44 PM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 5:44 PM
    So you got caught speeding a little, probably no great shakes, maybe doing anywhere from 31mph to 41mph in a 30mph limit (and yes they ARE pulling up people at 31mph !!!!)
    Originally posted by Knapper

    The guideline threshold for action in a 30 mph limit is 35. The experts at pepipoo.com advise on thousands of speeding cases every year, and (despite lots of anecdotes) they have yet to see hard evidence of any action below that speed. Do you have any such evidence?
    • Joe Horner
    • By Joe Horner 9th Aug 18, 5:44 PM
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    Shock news!!! Businesses Aim to Make Money!!!

    Shocking revelations emerged today that businesses in the UK are run to make a profit. This comes hot on the heels of an earlier leak that some even "mark up" the products they supply.

    Some consumers are outraged that these parasites don't give away their products and services at cost or, preferably, at a loss.

    One anonymous, self confessed facist, replied "Scam scam scam cowboy scam ripoff scam!" when asked about the marking up of products, while sources close to another said he believed charging for education of people caught breaking the law was a "MULTI MILLION POUND SCAM" after he was, himself, caught breaking the law.

    Meanwhile, the rest of the world waits eagerly for new legislation banning the inappropriate use of the word "scam". A recent U-gove poll found that the majority (52%) of those asked thought that disemboweling with a blunt dictionary would be a fair starting point for sentencing.
    • Tigsteroonie
    • By Tigsteroonie 9th Aug 18, 5:44 PM
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    In 2017 there were some 1.2 million attendees of these courses. Do the math. That's over £100 MILLION POUNDS these fat cat private businesses are earning from hapless, easy target motorists.
    Originally posted by Knapper
    I'm in the UK. Can I please do the maths instead?
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    • James_N
    • By James_N 9th Aug 18, 5:47 PM
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    Don't be gender specific!
    Although there is an opportunity for attendees too. You're going to be meeting lawbreakers of the opposite sex who may be quite fanciable and clearly not bound by moral norms, so a bit of wa-hey may be possible.
    Originally posted by westernpromise
    If so inclined, you may meet members of the same sex who are quite fanciable too ....
    • westernpromise
    • By westernpromise 9th Aug 18, 5:49 PM
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    I got one of these for doing 36 in a 30. The cruise control didn't work downhill. I was OK with it though as this was in 2013 and the last brush I had with traffic laws was 26 years previously. So it goes.
    Buying a house, if you believe the market has a way to fall, or if you are paying sill asking prices ( like some sheeple ) or if you are buying in London, is now a massive financial gamble!!!!! - June 8, 2012 by TheCountOfNowhere
    • Car 54
    • By Car 54 9th Aug 18, 5:49 PM
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    The OP's three-page rant, complete with its repeated upper case catch phrase ("MULTI-MILLION POUND SCAM") looks at first glance like a classic conspiracy theory, although to be fair his grammar and punctuation are better than most.



    However, there is no conspiracy. I don't believe he's told us anything that isn't in the public domain, except maybe Admiral's alleged U-turn. So what exactly was the point?
    • westernpromise
    • By westernpromise 9th Aug 18, 5:51 PM
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    If so inclined, you may meet members of the same sex who are quite fanciable too ....
    Originally posted by James_N
    That is indeed true!
    Buying a house, if you believe the market has a way to fall, or if you are paying sill asking prices ( like some sheeple ) or if you are buying in London, is now a massive financial gamble!!!!! - June 8, 2012 by TheCountOfNowhere
    • HWG
    • By HWG 9th Aug 18, 6:13 PM
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    So all I have to do to avoid this wicked, insidious illuminati scam is to remain within the speed limit? Deal.
    • Tarambor
    • By Tarambor 9th Aug 18, 6:19 PM
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    Its amazing that despite doing 2000+ miles a week for almost quarter of a century all over the UK I've yet to have to pay any money for this alleged scam even though in Scotland the speed limits for single carriageways and dual carriageways is different for my vehicle than in England and Wales.
    • Johno100
    • By Johno100 9th Aug 18, 6:22 PM
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    Its amazing that despite doing 2000+ miles a week for almost quarter of a century all over the UK I've yet to have to pay any money for this alleged scam even though in Scotland the speed limits for single carriageways and dual carriageways is different for my vehicle than in England and Wales.
    Originally posted by Tarambor
    So you've never been caught, well done.
    • westernpromise
    • By westernpromise 9th Aug 18, 6:25 PM
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    I never speed intentionally, but it does happen by accident.
    Buying a house, if you believe the market has a way to fall, or if you are paying sill asking prices ( like some sheeple ) or if you are buying in London, is now a massive financial gamble!!!!! - June 8, 2012 by TheCountOfNowhere
    • unholyangel
    • By unholyangel 9th Aug 18, 6:37 PM
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    Yes, OP is totally right. Prior to these SACs you wouldn't be caught speeding, you wouldn't be given a FPN or fine, you wouldn't receive points on your licence, you wouldn't have increased premiums due to your risk increasing as someone who breaks the speed limits.

    Totally a money making venture and not at all trying to teach drivers stuff they should know like the back of their hand.

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