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    • astreet3
    • By astreet3 9th Aug 18, 2:40 PM
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    EURO Car Parks -
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    • 9th Aug 18, 2:40 PM
    EURO Car Parks - 9th Aug 18 at 2:40 PM
    Hi,


    so I've read the sticky thread on how to appeal etc. and just after a second opinion really.



    I've received a PCN NTK showing my car's registration number entering and leaving a car park in a 17 minute period. No ticket was purchased. This article explains why this is happening all the time in this particular car park:


    https://www.ryeandbattleobserver.co.uk/news/anger-over-rye-chippy-parking-fine-1-7588278



    Is it still worth going through the online appeal (which seems odds on to be denied) and then the POPLA appeal in the hope they cocked up somewhere along the way? Or should I just cough up the 40.


    thanks


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    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 9th Aug 18, 2:51 PM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 2:51 PM
    Is it still worth going through the online appeal (which seems odds on to be denied) and then the POPLA appeal in the hope they cocked up somewhere along the way? Or should I just cough up the 40.
    Are you seriously expecting anyone advising on how to beat private parking tickets to suggest you pay this?
    Please note, we are not a legal, residential or credit advice forum, rather one that helps motorists fight private parking charges, primarily at the 'front-end' of the process.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • astreet3
    • By astreet3 9th Aug 18, 3:10 PM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 3:10 PM
    Are you seriously expecting anyone advising on how to beat private parking tickets to suggest you pay this?
    Originally posted by Umkomaas

    I guess I asked for that!
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 9th Aug 18, 3:10 PM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 3:10 PM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 3:10 PM
    If you get a second opinion from anyone here saying anything other than to fight this then worry about their true intentions! (We do get some posters who come here with an agenda!)
    • astreet3
    • By astreet3 9th Aug 18, 3:26 PM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 3:26 PM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 3:26 PM
    I guess what I'm really asking then is am I right that my first step is to just appeal via ECP online using the template from the sticky thread?



    Then when that's rejected go for a POPLA appeal, looking at grounds such a land owner authority, accuracy of ANPR cameras/timing?


    Given no ticket was purchased no contract was entered into so does that make a difference, as surely that's trespass rather than a broken contract?
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 9th Aug 18, 3:31 PM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 3:31 PM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 3:31 PM
    If you have inadvertently used your real name as your forum name you need to ask MSE to change it to something truly anonymous


    The ppcs monitor here and can use posts in your thread against you
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 9th Aug 18, 3:31 PM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 3:31 PM
    I guess what I'm really asking then is am I right that my first step is to just appeal via ECP online using the template from the sticky thread?
    Yes, if you're in time.

    Then when that's rejected go for a POPLA appeal, looking at grounds such a land owner authority, accuracy of ANPR cameras/timing?
    Yes, if you get a POPLA Code. There are various templates contained in the NEWBIES FAQ sticky, post #3 for use in developing a POPLA appeal.

    Given no ticket was purchased no contract was entered into so does that make a difference, as surely that's trespass rather than a broken contract?
    Depends what the signage says. You need to get contemporaneous photographs. They might be needed.
    Please note, we are not a legal, residential or credit advice forum, rather one that helps motorists fight private parking charges, primarily at the 'front-end' of the process.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • astreet3
    • By astreet3 9th Aug 18, 3:49 PM
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    • 9th Aug 18, 3:49 PM
    If you have inadvertently used your real name as your forum name you need to ask MSE to change it to something truly anonymous


    The ppcs monitor here and can use posts in your thread against you
    Originally posted by Quentin

    thanks Quentin but think I'm fine, my profile doesn't have my surname and must be andrew still fairly common (as muck) name.
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 9th Aug 18, 3:54 PM
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    You don't know at this stage what else will be posted here which can inadvertently end up subsequently identifying you! Especially if your surname matches that initial!


    The advice to get it changed if it is a real name is sound (you run an unnecessary risk as well as breaking forum rules by using your real name)
    • astreet3
    • By astreet3 9th Aug 18, 3:55 PM
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    Yes, if you're in time.
    Originally posted by Umkomaas

    yep, just got the NTK today



    Depends what the signage says. You need to get contemporaneous photographs. They might be needed.
    Originally posted by Umkomaas

    thanks, I'll get some photos (after parking elsewhere and walking in!).
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 9th Aug 18, 4:02 PM
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    after parking elsewhere and walking in!
    Good plan - and I don't mean that facetiously. There is definitely an educational need across the UK driver cohort when parking on a private car park, because almost everywhere is vulnerable to a PPC infestation, with mantraps set for the naive, ignorant or unwary.

    The days of dumping the car for nothing for a few hours while having a stroll around town have all but disappeared.
    Please note, we are not a legal, residential or credit advice forum, rather one that helps motorists fight private parking charges, primarily at the 'front-end' of the process.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 9th Aug 18, 4:07 PM
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    As Quentin has said, best you get your username changed to something more anonymous.

    To do that, read this short extract from The MSE Forum Guide - Frequently Asked Questions & Rules:
    Q. How can I change my username?

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    In most circumstances, this is not permitted.

    The only reason we will change your username is if it puts your privacy at risk. This usually means you've inadvertently registered using your name, email address or something that gives away your identity within your username.

    If you fall into this category, email forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com and request that it is changed, giving three alternative usernames in order of preference.
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    • astreet3
    • By astreet3 9th Aug 18, 4:44 PM
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    thanks, done already
    • megkram
    • By megkram 19th Sep 18, 3:03 PM
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    hi, just interested , have you had an outcome re this
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 19th Sep 18, 3:11 PM
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    These things often take months/years to resolve

    See the newbies FAQ thread near the top of the forum now to get an understanding of the game you are caught up in (assuming you have a PCN to deal with)

    If you still need help then start your own thread
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