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    • mentalmumof4
    • By mentalmumof4 4th Jul 18, 11:57 AM
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    McDonald's sign photo
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    • 4th Jul 18, 11:57 AM
    McDonald's sign photo 4th Jul 18 at 11:57 AM
    Hi, I'm currently getting together my popla appeal against MET parking services for the driver overstaying by 89 minutes at a McDonald's car park.
    I have been to the sight to look at the signage (as I was not the driver) and have taken pictures.
    I'm not sure if the signs comply with standards or not. Is it worth submitting pictures to poplar anyway or may I be shooting myself in the foot?
    Would it be detrimental for me to post it here for people to see?
    I would appreciate any advice. Thanks
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    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 4th Jul 18, 1:11 PM
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    Post the pics of the signs here. You will need to upload them to a web hosting site such as postimg, tinypic, or similar, then paste the URL here, but change http to hxxp.
    Someone here will change it back to a live link for you.

    You should challenge the signage anyway using the long template appeal point from post 3 of the NEWBIES, along with all other template points that are relevant.
    It is up to the scammers to prove their signs are adequate, not the other way round. However, if you can show that the signs aren't up to standard then you should include them in your appeal.

    Post your draft here for checking before you submit it.

    Don't forget to complain to your MP about this unregulated scam.
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    • mentalmumof4
    • By mentalmumof4 4th Jul 18, 1:29 PM
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    • 4th Jul 18, 1:29 PM
    That's great, I'll do that, thanks
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 4th Jul 18, 4:46 PM
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    • 4th Jul 18, 4:46 PM
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    • 4th Jul 18, 4:46 PM
    You should edit out the children and then repost.
    I married my cousin. I had to...
    I don't have a sister.

    All my screwdrivers are cordless.
    "You're Safety Is My Primary Concern Dear" - Laks
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 4th Jul 18, 4:49 PM
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    https://postimg.cc/gallery/2joui6hu6/

    Yes it works.

    Not sure we, or the rest of the world, need to see the egg and spoon race though.
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    • mentalmumof4
    • By mentalmumof4 4th Jul 18, 4:59 PM
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    • 4th Jul 18, 4:59 PM
    Oops! Don t know how I managed to get that one in there! I will remove, thanks!
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 4th Jul 18, 5:10 PM
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    • 4th Jul 18, 5:10 PM
    I would not supply those photos, the 100 & the '90 mins' is in large lettering.

    What did the McDonalds Manager say, when you went & asked him/her to cancel it?
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • mentalmumof4
    • By mentalmumof4 4th Jul 18, 5:41 PM
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    • 4th Jul 18, 5:41 PM
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    • 4th Jul 18, 5:41 PM
    Thanks, I was thinking the same.
    The manager was"too busy" to talk to me so I have phoned customer services twice to try and make a complaint but they still haven't got back to me so today I have emailed the CEO of McDonald's to see if I have any luck that way.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 4th Jul 18, 5:42 PM
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    • 4th Jul 18, 5:42 PM
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    Try again at the local one, BEFORE trying POPLA.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • mentalmumof4
    • By mentalmumof4 4th Jul 18, 5:59 PM
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    Will do, thanks
    • The Slithy Tove
    • By The Slithy Tove 4th Jul 18, 8:19 PM
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    I would not supply those photos, the 100 & the '90 mins' is in large lettering.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    But given the signs are many feet up a pole, how are you supposed to read the detailed wording describing the circumstances where the driver might be liable? There is a case for saying that it was not possible to read the detail due to the height of the signs and the size of the lettering.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 4th Jul 18, 8:39 PM
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    Yes at court, but not at POPLA, IMHO. And we know MET do not try court anyway!
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • mentalmumof4
    • By mentalmumof4 4th Jul 18, 8:44 PM
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    I'm pleased to hear MET don't try court. I found it hard to find many MET popla appeals when searching to write mine.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 4th Jul 18, 8:54 PM
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    I found it hard to find many MET popla appeals when searching to write mine.
    Originally posted by mentalmumof4
    Really, I just put MET POPLA into 'search this forum' and found 300 posts:

    Showing results 1 to 25 of 300
    Search took 0.18 seconds.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 4th Jul 18, 9:11 PM
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    Unfortunately every POPLA appeal that quotes either para 8 (2) (f) or 9 (2) (f) of POFA will include the word met.

    In other words, every PoPLA appeal that disputes Keeper Liability will appear in that search results list, no matter who the PPC is.

    This makes it more difficult to find POPLA appeals about MET - the PPC.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 4th Jul 18, 10:15 PM
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    hahaha, good point KeithP.


    Maybe Mcdonalds POPLA would be a better search.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • mentalmumof4
    • By mentalmumof4 6th Jul 18, 11:53 AM
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    I think I've got my popla appeal together. Is there any point in posting it all here if it's copied directly from others?
    My points are:
    1. Driver liability
    2. Signage
    3. No evidence of landowner Authority
    4. Breach of BPA CofP and ICO rules for ANPR.
    Are there any other points I could make?
    The NTK seemed to have met all the requirements.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 6th Jul 18, 11:39 PM
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    Looks OK, as long as you embed your signage pics (not attach them separately, too much work for the Assessor, who you want on your side) and only choose the one or two that show a view with NO signs legible, no close up/readable pic.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • mentalmumof4
    • By mentalmumof4 7th Jul 18, 10:03 AM
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    Great, thanks for your advice.
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 7th Jul 18, 10:34 AM
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    Have you written bad stuff of the restaurant's Facebook page, mention of the manager being "unhelpful" is not likely to go down too well at Head Office.


    This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors.

    Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, and another company have already been named and shamed, as has Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each year). They lose most of them, and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P. for unprofessional conduct

    Hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned.

    The problem has become so rampant that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers. Watch the video of the Second Reading in the HofC recently.

    http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41

    and complain in the most robust terms to your MP. With a fair wind they will be out of business by Christmas.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
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