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    • Beeson
    • By Beeson 6th May 18, 11:29 AM
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    Ukpc appeal (help)
    • #1
    • 6th May 18, 11:29 AM
    Ukpc appeal (help) 6th May 18 at 11:29 AM
    I have been building up too sending off my first appeal on Day 26 after receiving my on screen ticket.
    However after sending off my appeal I then re-read the document over and noticed that it has been updated and UKPC, DO NOT have access too the DVLA anymore. My appeal has already been sent. I followed all the guidelines so it says I am the keeper and not the driver.
    Should I still send an appeal off too POPLA on day 56? Or do you think I should now stop worrying about it?

    Will update over the next month if I receive letters.
    Feel like an idiot, I was so close too being done with this!
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    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 6th May 18, 11:47 AM
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    • #2
    • 6th May 18, 11:47 AM
    • #2
    • 6th May 18, 11:47 AM
    I have been building up too sending off my first appeal on Day 26 after receiving my on screen ticket.
    However after sending off my appeal I then re-read the document over and noticed that it has been updated and UKPC, DO NOT have access too the DVLA anymore. My appeal has already been sent. I followed all the guidelines so it says I am the keeper and not the driver.
    Should I still send an appeal off too POPLA on day 56? Or do you think I should now stop worrying about it?

    Will update over the next month if I receive letters.
    Feel like an idiot, I was so close too being done with this!
    Originally posted by Beeson
    Could you explain what you mean by "updated" ???

    It is true that UKPC has been banned by the DVLA and
    we are unsure what date the ban came into force

    POPLA is the next step once UKPC provide a code, if they
    don't then you complain to the BPA
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 6th May 18, 12:50 PM
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    • #3
    • 6th May 18, 12:50 PM
    • #3
    • 6th May 18, 12:50 PM
    Could you explain what you mean by "updated" ???
    Originally posted by beamerguy
    The NEWBIES FAQ thread has been updated very recently to include:
    STOP PRESS APRIL 2018 - UKPC DO NOT HAVE DVLA ACCESS NOW!

    SO, WAIT FOR THE NOTICE TO KEEPER FIRST WHICH WILL NEVER ARRIVE AND YOU WILL HEAR NO MORE (SO DO NOT APPEAL A UKPC* TICKET, UNDERSTOOD?)


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-parking-control-dvla-suspension-misuse-of-data-a8325941.html

    https://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/ukpc-banned-by-dvla.html

    *UK Parking Control Ltd. Not any firm using a similar acronym to UKPC.
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    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 6th May 18, 1:38 PM
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    • #4
    • 6th May 18, 1:38 PM
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    • 6th May 18, 1:38 PM
    UKPC are fraudsters, read this

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-parking-control-dvla-suspension-misuse-of-data-a8325941.html

    This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors.

    Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, and another company have already been named and shamed, as has Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each year). They lose most of them, and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P. for unprofessional conduct

    Hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned.

    The problem has become so rampant that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers. Watch the video of the Second Reading in the HofC recently.

    http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41

    and complain in the most robust terms to your MP. With a fair wind they will be out of business by Christmas.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 6th May 18, 3:09 PM
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    • #5
    • 6th May 18, 3:09 PM
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    • 6th May 18, 3:09 PM
    I have been building up too sending off my first appeal on Day 26 after receiving my on screen ticket.
    However after sending off my appeal I then re-read the document over and noticed that it has been updated and UKPC, DO NOT have access too the DVLA anymore. My appeal has already been sent. I followed all the guidelines so it says I am the keeper and not the driver.
    Should I still send an appeal off too POPLA on day 56? Or do you think I should now stop worrying about it?

    Will update over the next month if I receive letters.
    Feel like an idiot, I was so close too being done with this!
    Originally posted by Beeson
    You are not an idiot, you could not have known.

    But guess what? You still win at POPLA!

    UKPC will either:

    - forget to issue a NTK

    or

    - use the data you gave them, to issue a NTK.

    Even if they do manage the second option, a NTK is not a compliant document to establish 'keeper liability' unless the data was supplied by the Secretary of State (i.e. the DVLA). Read Schedule 4 and search it for 'Secretary' and you will see that is true. ONLY keeper data gleaned from the DVLA count under that law (even if you supplied your own data in an appeal).

    So, whatever happens, POPLA will not be able to find that any NTK complies with Schedule 4. It will be a lot easier if UKPC just forget to send a NTK altogether. Let us know!
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Beeson
    • By Beeson 10th May 18, 5:33 PM
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    • #6
    • 10th May 18, 5:33 PM
    UKPC APPEAL (Thanks - MID WAY)
    • #6
    • 10th May 18, 5:33 PM
    I want too start by thanking all of you for the quick responses to this post, you all put my mind at ease very quickly!
    I received my NTK through email on the 9th of May 2018 (So upon time of writing this yesterday).
    At least I believe it is an NTK, I have a POPLA reference number and it is a notice of my failure in the appeal.
    Had a look at the pictures, ridiculously bad.
    Just too confirm that it was on the 56th day I appeal too POPLA after being issued the windowed ticket?
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 10th May 18, 5:36 PM
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    • #7
    • 10th May 18, 5:36 PM
    • #7
    • 10th May 18, 5:36 PM
    A letter refusing your appeal and supplying a PoPLA code is not a Notice to Keeper.

    Have you received any other letter apart from that appeal refusal letter?
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    • Redx
    • By Redx 10th May 18, 5:43 PM
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    • #8
    • 10th May 18, 5:43 PM
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    • 10th May 18, 5:43 PM
    Just too confirm that it was on the 56th day I appeal too POPLA after being issued the windowed ticket?
    Originally posted by Beeson
    not necessarily

    you are advised to upload your popla appeal as a pdf choosing OTHER before day 33 after the date on this appeal refusal

    they tell you within 28 days but the code works for up to 33 days , so 28 days for safety, from the date of the refusal

    this refusal is an appeal refusal , not an NTK , hopefully they wont be issuing an NTK and even if they do it wont be one where they got the keeper data from the DVLA, so no evidence fo the true keeper

    UKPC should issue an NTK and an appeal refusal, especially after a windscreen ticket

    their current DVLA ban makes it much , much harder for them to comply
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 10th May 18, 5:43 PM
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    • #9
    • 10th May 18, 5:43 PM
    • #9
    • 10th May 18, 5:43 PM
    Just too confirm that it was on the 56th day I appeal too POPLA after being issued the windowed ticket?
    Originally posted by Beeson
    No you got it wrong about the 56 days

    Read up in the Newbies FAQ thread on the time scales

    Make sure you use your popla code within its deadline
    Last edited by Quentin; 10-05-2018 at 5:46 PM.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 11th May 18, 1:28 AM
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    You have not had a NTK. Obviously a rejection letter/email is not a NTK.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Beeson
    • By Beeson 11th May 18, 11:07 AM
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    Beeson
    Thank you all very much!
    Yeah I have only received an appeal refusal with a POPLA code on it, I take it an NTK will come in the post or can it still come by email?
    I imagine it will come from UKPC directly?
    Also, thank you Coupon-mad your Newbie post was a god send when I got the ticket!
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 11th May 18, 2:26 PM
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    Coupon-mad
    UKPC can't send a NTK because the DVLA won't divulge your data. UKPC being banned.

    You are worrying about nothing and a keeper appeal will win at POPLA.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

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