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    • topcarp
    • By topcarp 10th Apr 18, 11:42 AM
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    PCN Premier Park POPLA Appeal
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    • 10th Apr 18, 11:42 AM
    PCN Premier Park POPLA Appeal 10th Apr 18 at 11:42 AM
    Hi all, recently I received not one but two PCN's from the lovely people at Premier Park and as per the Newbies thread followed everything in requesting an appeal to POPLA. This is now where I am stumped as I'm not quiet sure what to say. The PCN states that the reason is Not Parked Wholly Within Bay. The vehicle was parked between two sets of parking bays and not in an area marked as a no parking zone or roadway, furthermore I was told several days before the first PCN is dated, by an employee of the operator that the location the vehicle was parked in was ok and not breaking any rules therefore several days later the vehicle was parked there and got a PCN. There are several areas in the car park not marked out at all as parking spaces with white lines but these are legal bays as well as areas next to blue badge areas that are also not marked but are legal spaces as well.

    Please help!
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    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 10th Apr 18, 11:49 AM
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    The stickies tell you how to deal with this scammer.

    This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors.

    Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, and another company have already been named and shamed, as has Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each year). They lose most of them, and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P. for unprofessional conduct

    Hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned.

    The problem has become so rampant that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers. Watch the video of the Second Reading in the HofC recently.

    http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41

    and complain in the most robust terms to your MP. With a fair wind they will be out of business by Christmas.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 10th Apr 18, 1:03 PM
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    The best guidance for you can be found in post #3 of the NEWBIES FAQ sticky thread.
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    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 10th Apr 18, 3:06 PM
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    • 10th Apr 18, 3:06 PM
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    In the long run, you may need to provide photographic evidence to the Appeal service or court, so get some photographic evidence of the areas in question plus signs.

    In the end, a private landowner can designate where you may park and it is not up to the motorist to decide that other areas seem clear, so why not park there. You have said that you have parked between two sets of bays which implies that this was not an area that the landowner designated for parking.

    So maybe the ticketing guy needed more victims than the guy who said it was ok to make his quota.

    As I said, photos of the signs and parking area to support your case may be required if it goes much further.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 11th Apr 18, 12:57 AM
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    • 11th Apr 18, 12:57 AM
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    • 11th Apr 18, 12:57 AM
    This is now where I am stumped as I'm not quiet sure what to say.
    Some Premier Park POPLA cases are won and some lost, but no-one PAYS!

    Search for Premier Park POPLA and start your draft appeal and show us.

    If the first PCN was a windscreen one, did they serve a Notice to Keeper at all?
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • topcarp
    • By topcarp 11th Apr 18, 10:37 AM
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    • 11th Apr 18, 10:37 AM
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    • 11th Apr 18, 10:37 AM
    Some Premier Park POPLA cases are won and some lost, but no-one PAYS!

    Search for Premier Park POPLA and start your draft appeal and show us.

    If the first PCN was a windscreen one, did they serve a Notice to Keeper at all?
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    Lets hope this is a winner then.

    When you say draft appeal do you mean by using the headings on the POPLA Appeals website.

    No it was a postal PCN, opening line, "We have issued PCN to a vehicle you have been named as driving".
    • topcarp
    • By topcarp 11th Apr 18, 10:43 AM
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    • 11th Apr 18, 10:43 AM
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    • 11th Apr 18, 10:43 AM
    In the long run, you may need to provide photographic evidence to the Appeal service or court, so get some photographic evidence of the areas in question plus signs.

    In the end, a private landowner can designate where you may park and it is not up to the motorist to decide that other areas seem clear, so why not park there. You have said that you have parked between two sets of bays which implies that this was not an area that the landowner designated for parking.

    So maybe the ticketing guy needed more victims than the guy who said it was ok to make his quota.

    As I said, photos of the signs and parking area to support your case may be required if it goes much further.
    Originally posted by Guys Dad
    I have plenty of photos of signs, areas where people can park that aren't marked out, and areas people cant park that aren't marked out as well.
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 11th Apr 18, 10:46 AM
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    • 11th Apr 18, 10:46 AM
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    When you say draft appeal do you mean by using the headings on the POPLA Appeals website.
    No. Look for other recent Premier POPLA appeals on this forum and use them as your framework. Preferably work from those that were successful at POPLA. The NEWBIES FAQ sticky, post #3 also has ready-made template appeal sections that you can more or less copy and paste.

    Just make sure that anything you put into your draft has relevance to your case. Anything you don't understand, just ask.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 13th Apr 18, 8:48 PM
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    • 13th Apr 18, 8:48 PM
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    do you mean by using the headings on the POPLA Appeals website.
    No-one uses them here. Read post #3 of the NEWBIES thread, show us your draft.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • topcarp
    • By topcarp 28th Apr 18, 4:29 PM
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    Hi guys where can I post my draft for you all to cast your eyes over, I have been away for a few weeks so not been able to complete my appeal.
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 28th Apr 18, 4:42 PM
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    Post it here, on this thread.

    When looking at other PoPLA appeals threads you will have seen that many people post their draft appeal on their thread for review.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 29th Apr 18, 8:50 PM
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    You've tried to answer the POPLA questions on the website. Nonono.

    That's not what we do. See the NEWBIES thread post #3.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • topcarp
    • By topcarp 29th Apr 18, 9:54 PM
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    You've tried to answer the POPLA questions on the website. Nonono.

    That's not what we do. See the NEWBIES thread post #3.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    Thanks for that, I have read the part where it says to make my own PDF but I cannot find where it says I can attach a PDF on the POPLA website
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 29th Apr 18, 10:01 PM
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    When you click OTHER like the NEWBIES thread tells you, after you've put in your name & address and PCN number, it asks for a few comments (I normally put 'see my appeal in the attached PDF') and you can upload files there.

    That's where you upload the pre-prepared PDF appeal in full.

    But you are not doing that yet, you should be showing us your POPLA appeal for comments and it will have loads more to it that the short comments you posted earlier. That's what the templates are for, in the third post of the NEWBIES sticky.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • topcarp
    • By topcarp 29th Apr 18, 10:24 PM
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    When you click OTHER like the NEWBIES thread tells you, after you've put in your name & address and PCN number, it asks for a few comments (I normally put 'see my appeal in the attached PDF') and you can upload files there.

    That's where you upload the pre-prepared PDF appeal in full.

    But you are not doing that yet, you should be showing us your POPLA appeal for comments and it will have loads more to it that the short comments you posted earlier. That's what the templates are for, in the third post of the NEWBIES sticky.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    I'm sorry, I don't mean to seem daft, I'm just not very good at this. Where the page asks for the type of document what should I select?

    Also I am trying to find a suitable template for my situation and I'm struggling tbh.
    • topcarp
    • By topcarp 29th Apr 18, 11:21 PM
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    May I also just add that on the PCN nowhere does it mention Notice to Keeper, only " you have been named as driving/driver" several times. Am I correct in thinking this is a big no-no from the parking company?
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 29th Apr 18, 11:30 PM
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    Is this a hire car or a leased car?

    Are you the Registered Keeper of the car?
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    • topcarp
    • By topcarp 29th Apr 18, 11:33 PM
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    Is this a hire car or a leased car?

    Are you the Registered Keeper of the car?
    Originally posted by KeithP
    Registered keeper
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 29th Apr 18, 11:42 PM
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    I'm sorry, I don't mean to seem daft, I'm just not very good at this. Where the page asks for the type of document what should I select?
    Originally posted by topcarp
    Who cares? Just choose OTHER, when it comes to that moment, which is NOT now.

    Why are you trying to do that BEFORE you've even shown us your draft appeal? Stop looking at the silly, fiddly POPLA website and stay here and read some example POPLA appeals like yours.

    Search for obvious keywords like: 'Premier POPLA' or 'POPLA not in marked bay'. Copy one and show us the draft you have adapted to suit.

    Also, surely these were windscreen PCNs? And you've appealed using the template from the NEWBIES thread, which as you know is designed to be submitted on day 26 and thus, they might forget to send a Notice to Keeper document in the post a month after the parking event.

    Soooo, did they forget?

    It is obvious what your first and winning appeal point will be, out of the templates - that there has been no NTK served. If that is the case?
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • topcarp
    • By topcarp 29th Apr 18, 11:56 PM
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    Who cares? Just choose OTHER, when it comes to that moment, which is NOT now.

    Why are you trying to do that BEFORE you've even shown us your draft appeal? Stop looking at the silly, fiddly POPLA website and stay here and read some example POPLA appeals like yours.

    Search for obvious keywords like: 'Premier POPLA' or 'POPLA not in marked bay'. Copy one and show us the draft you have adapted to suit.

    Also, surely these were windscreen PCNs? And you've appealed using the template from the NEWBIES thread, which as you know is designed to be submitted on day 26 and thus, they might forget to send a Notice to Keeper document in the post a month after the parking event.

    Soooo, did they forget?

    It is obvious what your first and winning appeal point will be, out of the templates - that there has been no NTK served. If that is the case?
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    It would seem I am trying to run before I can walk.

    I appealed to the Parking Company using the template at which point they sent me a POPLA code and have yet to receive an official NTK from them, just the usual 100 or reduced to 60 if paid within 14 days, then the first reminder letter after that.

    No these are Postal NTK's and on no correspondents from them does it say NTK
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