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    • Cocktail74
    • By Cocktail74 6th Apr 18, 9:35 PM
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    Local Authority caused damage to my property
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    • 6th Apr 18, 9:35 PM
    Local Authority caused damage to my property 6th Apr 18 at 9:35 PM
    I own an end of terraced property at the end of a row of council houses. The council have commissioned work on the properties next to mine and are replacing roofs within the area.

    They have erected scaffolding in order to do this work, the end of the scaffolding is about 1 meter within my boundary and has been put on top of my porch roof.

    I noticed the other morning that there appears to be a leak in my hallway. Directly below the end support of the scaffolding.

    I have contacted the council and awaiting a response.

    What else can I do?
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    • shaun from Africa
    • By shaun from Africa 6th Apr 18, 10:03 PM
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    Is the scaffolding resting on the porch roof and even if it's not, can you see if there has been any damages caused when it was being erected?

    If the leak isn't too bad and you can live with it for now that you should really wait until you hear back from the council.
    If however the leak is bad and is (or might) cause damage, it might be an idea to get someone in to look at it. (making sure that keep the invoice for any work and ask the roofing repair man to write a statement saying exactly what caused the problem).
    • theonlywayisup
    • By theonlywayisup 6th Apr 18, 10:30 PM
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    The scaffold is within your boundary?

    Do you own the property? Were you notified of the works and the scaffold being erected on your property?
    • adonis
    • By adonis 6th Apr 18, 10:31 PM
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    Make sure you take photos from various angles and close ups of the scaffolding on the porch to help with your claim.
    • Cocktail74
    • By Cocktail74 6th Apr 18, 11:10 PM
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    • 6th Apr 18, 11:10 PM
    Is the scaffolding resting on the porch roof and even if it's not, can you see if there has been any damages caused when it was being erected?

    If the leak isn't too bad and you can live with it for now that you should really wait until you hear back from the council.
    If however the leak is bad and is (or might) cause damage, it might be an idea to get someone in to look at it. (making sure that keep the invoice for any work and ask the roofing repair man to write a statement saying exactly what caused the problem).
    Originally posted by shaun from Africa
    I did try to upload a picture, but cant post links due to being a newbie. I wasnt aware of it being put up until after it was erected. At the moment it seems to be seeping, the water marks on the wall and ceiling are more like water spreading than a full on leak.

    The scaffold is within your boundary?

    Do you own the property? Were you notified of the works and the scaffold being erected on your property?
    Originally posted by theonlywayisup
    Yes the scaffolding vertical support is about 1.5feet within my boundary, the over hang iis then about 1.5meters. Yes I own my property and no i received no request or notification regarding the works or the scaffolding.
    • Le_Kirk
    • By Le_Kirk 7th Apr 18, 10:17 AM
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    I did try to upload a picture, but cant post links due to being a newbie.
    Originally posted by Cocktail74
    Just post a broken link and someone will fix it for you - after having first checked it is a genuine, non-dangerous link.
    • Cocktail74
    • By Cocktail74 7th Apr 18, 11:57 AM
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    • glentoran99
    • By glentoran99 7th Apr 18, 12:00 PM
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    The scaffold is within your boundary?

    Do you own the property? Were you notified of the works and the scaffold being erected on your property?
    Originally posted by theonlywayisup
    I did try to upload a picture, but cant post links due to being a newbie. I wasnt aware of it being put up until after it was erected. At the moment it seems to be seeping, the water marks on the wall and ceiling are more like water spreading than a full on leak.



    Yes the scaffolding vertical support is about 1.5feet within my boundary, the over hang iis then about 1.5meters. Yes I own my property and no i received no request or notification regarding the works or the scaffolding.
    Originally posted by Cocktail74
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    as an ex council house its entirely possible they don't have to ask, it was on the deeds on my last house that they had access if and when required if for access to their properties
    • glentoran99
    • By glentoran99 7th Apr 18, 12:02 PM
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    https://ibb.co/iwFAhH

    https://ibb.co/keQsex
    • Cocktail74
    • By Cocktail74 7th Apr 18, 2:17 PM
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    ]]as an ex council house its entirely possible they don't have to ask, it was on the deeds on my last house that they had access if and when required if for access to their properties
    Originally posted by glentoran99
    Thanks for your response, ive gone through the deeds and cant seem to find any reference to this. The only mention to easements refers to Part Two, which consists of one sentence stating "There is excepted and reserved out of this Conveyance ALL rights in respect of mines and minerals (other than coal).".

    My main concern is the the damage caused, and the fact that the council haven't bothered contacting me yet to discuss the issue, I emailed them last Monday, called them Tuesday where they confirmed they received email. and sent a complaint on the Thursday as still no feedback. I get it was a short week, but the issue is there and its going to continue to allow water in until they do something, making any water damage worse.

    Think another call is due on Monday for sure.
    • pmartin86
    • By pmartin86 7th Apr 18, 2:27 PM
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    Obviously I'd keep on at the council and find out why they (or their contracted builder) decided to put scaffholding oon your property without even consulting you, but you have to admint, that roof is in poor condition and I think poputting ALL the blame on them is a bit of a push. Id be realistic in your expectations as there is clearly longstanding issues with ponding and what seems to be a significant depression thats been there for some time.
    • UKSBD
    • By UKSBD 7th Apr 18, 2:56 PM
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    Did they remove the downpipe too?

    Judging by the brackets it looks like there was a gutter downpipe where the scaffolding is, it may have come down and extended on the flat roof to the other guttering.

    If they moved it to make room for the scaffolding, you've now got all the water hitting the flat roof right where it is probably indented due to weight of scaffold.
    • Cocktail74
    • By Cocktail74 7th Apr 18, 4:17 PM
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    Obviously I'd keep on at the council and find out why they (or their contracted builder) decided to put scaffholding oon your property without even consulting you, but you have to admint, that roof is in poor condition and I think poputting ALL the blame on them is a bit of a push. Id be realistic in your expectations as there is clearly longstanding issues with ponding and what seems to be a significant depression thats been there for some time.
    Originally posted by pmartin86
    Thanks for your response, I agree that the roof does need some work, but it wasnt until after the scaffolding was put up was there a problem. I can evidence this with the council with photos of the area before and now.

    Did they remove the downpipe too?

    Judging by the brackets it looks like there was a gutter downpipe where the scaffolding is, it may have come down and extended on the flat roof to the other guttering.

    If they moved it to make room for the scaffolding, you've now got all the water hitting the flat roof right where it is probably indented due to weight of scaffold.
    Originally posted by UKSBD
    Yes they removed the down pipe and left it in the garden.
    • pmartin86
    • By pmartin86 7th Apr 18, 4:34 PM
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    Thanks for your response, I agree that the roof does need some work, but it wasnt until after the scaffolding was put up was there a problem. I can evidence this with the council with photos of the area before and now.
    Originally posted by Cocktail74
    Appologies, just re-read my reply and realised it come accross a bit preachy, it was meant to be more along the lines of nudging you to how the council/builders might see it. Even if they have caused the damage, their still luikly to try and limit their liability and "histroic" damage is likely to be a key factor in doing that.
    • tired dad
    • By tired dad 7th Apr 18, 5:01 PM
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    If they have removed a downpipe without consulting you, then surely they have liability.

    Take pics of downpipe.

    If you have legal cover with home insurance now is the time to call.
    • Cocktail74
    • By Cocktail74 8th Apr 18, 12:38 PM
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    Appologies, just re-read my reply and realised it come accross a bit preachy, it was meant to be more along the lines of nudging you to how the council/builders might see it. Even if they have caused the damage, their still luikly to try and limit their liability and "histroic" damage is likely to be a key factor in doing that.
    Originally posted by pmartin86
    Not at all, I think most of us would have the same view if we it was assumed we were responsible for similar damage.

    If they have removed a downpipe without consulting you, then surely they have liability.

    Take pics of downpipe.

    If you have legal cover with home insurance now is the time to call.
    Originally posted by tired dad
    Ill be calling them again tomorrow to see if they have an update. I have plenty of pictures already :-)
    • Cocktail74
    • By Cocktail74 9th Apr 18, 9:07 PM
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    Called the local housing office today, took some time to explain the situation, but got the name and number of the person that the email was forwarded to.

    Called them and they answered right away. Explained the my concerns and the damage caused and they will be sending someone out to look at it.
    • AlexMac
    • By AlexMac 9th Apr 18, 9:51 PM
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    Be optimistic; Councils are in my experience generally reasonable if you approach them the right way. Be persistent; don't let the first person you contact brush you off; they might just want a quiet life, but front-line staff are at the bottom of a lonng chain of tiers of managers who don't want grief from local citizens working their way up the seniority.

    And ultimately, the front-line Council person's boss's boss's boss's Boss is answerable to the elected Councillors... who are answerable to you! (because you elect them to run the Councile and spend YOUR Council tax money!

    So as I say, if you rally have a grievance, work up the chain, and if that gets no-where, invoke their official Complaints procedure (googl it or check the Council website). And if that fails, go Political .

    Complain to your local Ward Councillor- if you have a choice (you usually have three per ward) go for the one from the ruling political party depending on wheter Tories or Labour or whoever runs your Council

    Find them from
    https://www.writetothem.com/

    or the Council website; round here the Councllors are busting a gut to be helpful as they are all up for re-election this May!
    • tonyh66
    • By tonyh66 10th Apr 18, 11:42 AM
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    definitely looks like the weight of the scaffolding is resting on your roof. You also have something interesting going on above your window broken and loose bricks...
    • Cocktail74
    • By Cocktail74 11th Apr 18, 12:12 AM
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    Had a call back from the site manager this morning (7:50am!!), very apologetic and seems he may have had a telling of from the council. He said that they had forwarded my original email with the photographs and he confirmed that the scaffolding should not have been placed where it was. He didnt really have an answer as to what could be done now to fix any further damage but he reassured me that once the work had been completed and the scaffolding removed any damage would be rectified. This I am happy about, my concern is further damage at the moment.

    definitely looks like the weight of the scaffolding is resting on your roof. You also have something interesting going on above your window broken and loose bricks...
    Originally posted by tonyh66
    Yes, when i looked back at the picture I seen this also. Will be looking at improvements to the external render over the next 12months .
    Last edited by Cocktail74; 11-04-2018 at 12:19 AM.
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