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Update - Anyone see any issues with this portfolio?

FIRSTTIMER
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Hi,
I have now finalised my decision as a first timer/novice. I want to save/invest £500 a month long term...this is what I have come up with.
S&S ISA
£250 a month in Vanguard UK Investor Platform - £125 in Vangaurd 60 and £125 in Vanguard 80
LISA
£250 a month using HL Platform - £125 in Blackrock Consensus 85 and £125 in HSBC Global Strategy Dynamic. I will top this up at the end of every year by £1000.
I have a mortgage and £10k avail in cash for emergencies and will more than likely cash in my S&S in dire emergencies - but ultimately want growth in long term regular saving to facilitate a 55yr to 60yr old retirement! Then draw on my local government pension at say between 60 to 65.
I ultimately want to leave both investment for a minimum 10-15 years if not much longer then review.(obviously 60 yr old for the LISA - currently 34 yr old) and not touch them at all, unless drastic measures.
Can anyone see a much cheaper option cost wise? Also, if I need to withdraw from the LISA is the penalty applied to all the cash including any growth, or just what I have paid in, meaning either way I loose out.
Thanks
I have now finalised my decision as a first timer/novice. I want to save/invest £500 a month long term...this is what I have come up with.
S&S ISA
£250 a month in Vanguard UK Investor Platform - £125 in Vangaurd 60 and £125 in Vanguard 80
LISA
£250 a month using HL Platform - £125 in Blackrock Consensus 85 and £125 in HSBC Global Strategy Dynamic. I will top this up at the end of every year by £1000.
I have a mortgage and £10k avail in cash for emergencies and will more than likely cash in my S&S in dire emergencies - but ultimately want growth in long term regular saving to facilitate a 55yr to 60yr old retirement! Then draw on my local government pension at say between 60 to 65.
I ultimately want to leave both investment for a minimum 10-15 years if not much longer then review.(obviously 60 yr old for the LISA - currently 34 yr old) and not touch them at all, unless drastic measures.
Can anyone see a much cheaper option cost wise? Also, if I need to withdraw from the LISA is the penalty applied to all the cash including any growth, or just what I have paid in, meaning either way I loose out.
Thanks
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FIRSTTIMER wrote: »Hi,
I have now finalised my decision as a first timer/novice. I want to save/invest £500 a month long term...this is what I have come up with.S&S ISA
£250 a month in Vanguard UK Investor Platform - £125 in Vangaurd 60 and £125 in Vanguard 80I ultimately want to leave both investment for a minimum 10-15 years if not much longer then review.(obviously 60 yr old for the LISA - currently 34 yr old) and not touch them at all, unless drastic measures.0 -
Thanks for this - I was going to do all Vangaurd 80 but decided to split it for the first few years then I may transfer it all into vanguard 80 in say 5+ years.0
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FIRSTTIMER wrote: »Thanks for this - I was going to do all Vangaurd 80 but decided to split it for the first few years then I may transfer it all into vanguard 80 in say 5+ years.
The Life Strategy funds are a great way to invest for many people. Obviously your choice of which ones will give you an overall equity position of 70% with the remaining 30% in bonds. Seems a good enough split.
Your choice of platform, the Vanguard UK Investor Platform, is also a great choice as it's the best value for money.0 -
Cheers - does anyone know whether they will enter the LISA market on their platform?0
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At 34 years of age investing for the long term, I'd want to be 100% in equities. If you look at the performance of the underlying bond funds, it's pretty mediocre.
The Vanguard fund is a fund of funds so you have two levels of charges on the main fund and the underlying funds. It's still fairly cheap but that doesn't mean it's good value. I'd rather pay a bit more to an outstanding manager like Terry Smith or Nick Train to buy first class companies rather than a mix of good, bad and indifferent.0 -
The Vanguard fund is a fund of funds so you have two levels of charges on the main fund and the underlying funds. It's still fairly cheap but that doesn't mean it's good value.
I think the ongoing charge is around 0.24% and that includes the underlying funds as well as the fund wrapper itself. Combine that with 0.15% which is I think what the platform charge and the whole cost comes to around 0.4% or a bit less which actually I think is almost as cheap as it can get.0 -
FIRSTTIMER wrote: »Also, if I need to withdraw from the LISA is the penalty applied to all the cash including any growth, or just what I have paid in, meaning either way I loose out.
Thanks
So say you put £1000 in, the bonus takes it to £1250. But it does badly and there is no growth. Then you want to get some money out so you ask for a £125 withdrawal. They deduct 25% penalty from that so you only get £93.75 from what would have originally been £100 at time of pay in and what would have also been £100 if you'd put it into a 'normal' ISA and invested in the same investments, getting no growth.
Instead say you put £1000 in, the bonus takes it to £1250. The investment doubles in value to £2500. Then you want to get some money out so you ask for a £250 withdrawal. They deduct 25% penalty from that so you only get £187.50 back from what would have been £200 if you had just invested £100 in a non-bonus product and doubled your initial investment to £200.
Instead say you put £1000 in, the bonus takes it to £1250. The investment quadruples in value to £5000. Then you want to get some money out so you ask for a £500 withdrawal. They deduct 25% penalty from that so you only get £375 back from what would have been £400 if you had just invested £100 in a non-bonus product and quadrupled your initial investment to £400.
Instead say you put £1000 in, the bonus takes it to £1250. The investment is a poor one and drops by 40% to £750. Then you want to get some money out so you ask for a £75 withdrawal. They deduct 25% penalty from that so you only get £56.25 back from what would have been £60 if you had just invested £100 in a non-bonus product and lost 40% of its value due to bad investment choices.
In each case - no matter what the growth is - the money you're able to get out after the penalty is 93.75% of the money you'd have been able to take out if you had used a normal 'non bonus' type of LISA.
As to the question on whether there are cheaper options; Vanguard is fine for investing in its own products until you have a lot more invested than you currently do. Similarly if you want a broader choice of investments and access to a LISA product, HL with its lack of transaction fees is not bad for the first couple of years while your balance builds
Once you have been going for a couple of years your LISA(gross of bonus) may be at £10k, or more with growth. And hopefully throughout that third year you'll be taking it up to £15k or more. At that point you'll find that the HL platform fees at 0.45% of the £10-15k is a relatively steep £45-£68 annual charge, which is more expensive than paying AJBell Youinvest platform fees at 0.25% of the £10-15k (only £25-£37.50) and paying their 12x £1.50 monthly dealing fees.FIRSTTIMER wrote: »Cheers - does anyone know whether they will enter the LISA market on their platform?
As in, they have not said that they will, so nobody knows definitively that they will enter the LISA market... but as they grow in the UK they may well start adding LISAs and SIPPs and whatever else comes along, so nobody knows that they won't enter the LISA market either.0 -
I'd rather pay a bit more to an outstanding manager like Terry Smith or Nick Train to buy first class companies rather than a mix of good, bad and indifferent.
They're not immune to buying good, bad and indifferent companies.'We don't need to be smarter than the rest; we need to be more disciplined than the rest.' - WB0 -
OP this is exactly what I did but with larger amounts.
Half in VLS 60 & half in VLS 80 making a hybrid 70% equities.
However with the anticipated lack of value in bonds I'm currently mulling over putting all the 60 allocation into the VLS 80.0 -
They're not immune to buying good, bad and indifferent companies.
Agreed but with any tracker, you will be guaranteed to get all three. The important thing is for FIRSTTIMER to start investing, spend time learning and ultimately perhaps to gain the confidence to make his own decisions.
Over five years, the Vanguard fund has returned 55%, Lindsell Train Global Equity 150% and Fundsmith 125%.0
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