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House with Grade II listed garden

marlasinger
marlasinger Posts: 478 Forumite
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We are in the process of looking for a house to buy. One we are considering viewing is described as:


"To the rear is a lovely walled sunny garden (Grade II Listed) which is laid mainly to lawn with terrace and decked area, surrounded by clematis, camellias, roses and established shrub borders. An arch and wood store complete this delightful private garden. "


Has anyone heard of this before - having a Grade II listed garden, when the house isn't listed? It's an 'ordinary house', which has had the garage converted to a studio and has solar panels put on top. It has otherwise been modernised as well so the actual house can't be listed. I've googled this and can't find anything about private residential gardens being listed.


Thanks.
marlasinger

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  • aneary
    aneary Posts: 921 Forumite
    Is it maybe the Wall that's listed?
  • Robin9
    Robin9 Posts: 12,091 Forumite
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    Do your own search

    https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/
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  • Callie22
    Callie22 Posts: 3,444 Forumite
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    I agree, it's probably the wall rather than the garden. To be listed something has to have some degree of historical importance and I can't see decking being that!
  • Doozergirl
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    As everyone else says, it is likely to be the wall.

    However, if that wall belongs to the house then the whole house is listed as a result of the wall. It would be very unusual for the wall only to be listed.

    What does the listing say in the link provided above?
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  • davidmcn
    davidmcn Posts: 23,596 Forumite
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    As I understand it, any structure can be listed - so bridges, canals, and yes a garden with notable walls, terraces etc.


    Note that alterations to the house might also need consent if they could be deemed to affect the setting of the listed building.
  • agrinnall
    agrinnall Posts: 23,344 Forumite
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    Doozergirl wrote: »
    As everyone else says, it is likely to be the wall.

    However, if that wall belongs to the house then the whole house is listed as a result of the wall. It would be very unusual for the wall only to be listed.

    What does the listing say in the link provided above?

    What if the house was built long after the wall and garden were created?
  • Robin9
    Robin9 Posts: 12,091 Forumite
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    If the house was built AFTER the wall/garden was listed then the house will not be listed.

    If there was a garden shed on the site before the listing then the shed will be listed .
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  • EachPenny
    EachPenny Posts: 12,239 Forumite
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    marlasinger wrote: »
    Has anyone heard of this before - having a Grade II listed garden, when the house isn't listed? It's an 'ordinary house', which has had the garage converted to a studio and has solar panels put on top. It has otherwise been modernised as well so the actual house can't be listed.

    There is nothing to stop a modern, or modernised, building being listed. Most listed buildings have been modernised to a degree.

    The purpose of listing isn't to prevent change, but to ensure the change is sympathetic and retains features which are considered to be especially valuable. When it comes to extending listed buildings, the approach is normally to require the extension to be in a very different style to make it clear that the extension is not part of the original.

    Therefore it is entirely plausible that a modern style was a requirement of developing on a piece of land where an existing feature was listed.

    As davidmcn and Doozergirl point out, even if the house itslef isn't listed, the presence of a listed feature nearby may restrict what changes you are allowed to make to the house.
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  • DaftyDuck
    DaftyDuck Posts: 4,609 Forumite
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    Also worth pointing out the obvious: these are Estate Agent details, so likely based on Chinese Whispers between seller, agent, and writer.

    Do check the (potential) listing, as post #3. No surprise if there's a surprise there!
  • Robin9
    Robin9 Posts: 12,091 Forumite
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    davidmcn wrote: »
    As I understand it, any structure can be listed - so bridges, canals, and yes a garden with notable walls, terraces etc.

    Even telephone boxes.
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