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    • higgledypiggledy_pop
    • By higgledypiggledy_pop 10th Jul 17, 11:42 AM
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    Can I terminate my tenant's tenancy early for having an unauthorised pet?
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    • 10th Jul 17, 11:42 AM
    Can I terminate my tenant's tenancy early for having an unauthorised pet? 10th Jul 17 at 11:42 AM
    I am renting a flat to a couple on a 12 month tenancy agreement. When they applied they did not say anything about having a pet and in the tenancy agreement it states that tenants must get permission for any pets from the landlord first. I have been informed by a neighbour that one of the tenants has been seen going in and out of the flat with a dog, and the dog has also been seen in the garden. I asked the tenants about it and they claimed that it didn't belong to them but was a friend's who had been visiting or had left the dog there for a short time. I told them that I did not want a dog in the flat at all even if it was a friend's and that they should stop allowing the friend to bring the dog in, but it has been seen again since by my neighbour who watches and keeps me informed, when the woman tenant is around she often seems to have the dog with her.
    I think that the dog is probably really theirs or has been staying with them and I don't want it there. How can I go about ending their tenancy for breach of contract? Will I have to obtain proof that the dog is there? Does it matter legally whether it belongs to them or not?
    They also pre-paid all 12 months of their rent before moving in and have eight months remaining on the tenancy, will this make it harder for me to get them out?
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    • macman
    • By macman 13th Jul 17, 10:59 PM
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    How can you possibly think that drip feeding would reduce your tax bill? Income tax is calculated on your income within the tax year, whether it's paid in one lump sum or in monthly instalments.
    Who has been handling your tax returns in the past, since you have apparently been self employed?
    BTW, my comments about a cannabis farm were entirely serious: how did the tenants otherwise come to pay not only 12m rent upfront but 4K deposit as well? I'm guessing they paid out a lump sum of maybe 28K in total? Did you ask the agent to find someone who would pay upfront?
    The people who 'front' such farms are of course well dressed, have impeccable (fake) references and cash upfront. They are not of course the people who actually tend the farm.
    No free lunch, and no free laptop
    • Riggyman
    • By Riggyman 13th Jul 17, 11:00 PM
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    I'm now relegating this thread to 4.5/10. No bags for life, no second hand chocolate oranges and no vampires.

    V. Poor, must try harder.
    • leslieknope
    • By leslieknope 14th Jul 17, 12:24 AM
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    not even an emotionally difficult turkey
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    • PersianCatLady
    • By PersianCatLady 14th Jul 17, 12:38 AM
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    This almost made me panic for a moment but I think you are being facetious. They look very well dressed, at least in the photographs taken by the neighbour, and the woman sounded reasonably well educated on the phone. I cannot imagine her growing a cannabis. I should have thought my neighbour would inform me if anything like that was happening there, although I doubt that she would know anything about drugs. He could just be very well paid or there could be wealthy family involved. I am not going to add THAT to the list of concerns

    However it does continue to upset me that they are fibbers, with dog, and the female does actually not seem to be working as was stated.
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop
    I don't think that the previous poster was being facetious.

    In fact I think he/she was telling you one of the common pitfalls in renting out a property.

    You seem to be very nave about how being a landlord works.
    • PersianCatLady
    • By PersianCatLady 14th Jul 17, 12:44 AM
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    Then I will just have to make sure that they do not find out about any of this, and be none the wiser when they eventually leave. Maybe I will also have to hope that their hound does damage something, preferably expensive and ugly so that I can take it from what they are owed!!
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop
    Are you going to take their internet away then.

    Anybody can find out in seconds that if your deposit isn't protected you have legal recourse against your landlord.
    • PersianCatLady
    • By PersianCatLady 14th Jul 17, 1:14 AM
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    I can't believe that I got taken in by this heap of nonsense troll thread.
    • ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    • By ScorpiondeRooftrouser 14th Jul 17, 8:05 AM
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    The actual quote was, "I KNOW that they have a dog because the woman has admitted it to me, she just claims that it isn't legally their dog (I will add a comma here to make it clearer), and that it is not there when I have directly conflicting evidence that it is."

    I.e. perhaps obviously, I know that it is there, because of the unasked-for but constant stream of alerts and photos from my neighbour showing otherwise. Couldn't care less if it is 'owned' by her or someone else or if it has come from the woods of its own accord to huff and puff and blow my house down, if it is there inside the property
    Originally posted by higgledypiggledy_pop
    I don't know whether or not there's a dog there; that's not my point.
    You seem to be saying that they have told you there is a dog that exists somewhere (dogs do exist; this is widely accepted by scientists) but they don't own it and it isn't in your house. So what, exactly, has she admitted to you? That her cousin has a dog? What?
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 14th Jul 17, 1:08 PM
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    Leave him............he don't want the smelly, flea bag mut of a poo factory in hes house.
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 14th Jul 17, 1:10 PM
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    Leave him............he don't want the smelly, flea bag mut of a poo factory in hes house.
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    it's not his house at the moment....
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 14th Jul 17, 1:23 PM
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    it's not his house at the moment....
    Originally posted by Guest101
    The dog doesn't know that?
    Last edited by scd3scd4; 14-07-2017 at 2:32 PM.
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 14th Jul 17, 2:31 PM
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    Then he shouldn't have let out his flat.
    Originally posted by Penitent

    He never let it out to the dog did he?
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 14th Jul 17, 2:33 PM
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    He never let it out to the dog did he?
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    I don't know how many times telling you its legally irrelevant it will take before you get the message
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 14th Jul 17, 2:37 PM
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    I don't know how many times telling you its legally irrelevant it will take before you get the message
    Originally posted by Guest101

    Can we evict the dog?
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 14th Jul 17, 2:38 PM
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    Can we evict the dog?
    Originally posted by scd3scd4


    <not worth getting banned over....> - 'no'
    • lovinituk
    • By lovinituk 14th Jul 17, 2:43 PM
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    <not worth getting banned over....> - 'no'
    Originally posted by Guest101
    I've just received an infraction from another thread so I'm biting my tongue!!
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 14th Jul 17, 2:50 PM
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    I've just received an infraction from another thread so I'm biting my tongue!!
    Originally posted by lovinituk
    That's the problem with the forum, infractions are handed out unnecessarily in many cases.


    But ye, best just keeping it civil.


    Scd is clearly out to get a reaction
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 14th Jul 17, 3:01 PM
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    That's the problem with the forum, infractions are handed out unnecessarily in many cases.


    But ye, best just keeping it civil.


    Scd is clearly out to get a reaction
    Originally posted by Guest101
    No it was just a bit of humour in a strange old thread. I assume/hope a little joke now and again is still allowed while saving money.
    • ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    • By ScorpiondeRooftrouser 14th Jul 17, 3:15 PM
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    Ah, I see. I think the issue was that it wasn't funny, so people weren't picking up on the fact that it was humour.
    • higgledypiggledy_pop
    • By higgledypiggledy_pop 14th Jul 17, 6:55 PM
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    How can you possibly think that drip feeding would reduce your tax bill? Income tax is calculated on your income within the tax year, whether it's paid in one lump sum or in monthly instalments.
    Who has been handling your tax returns in the past, since you have apparently been self employed?
    BTW, my comments about a cannabis farm were entirely serious: how did the tenants otherwise come to pay not only 12m rent upfront but 4K deposit as well? I'm guessing they paid out a lump sum of maybe 28K in total? Did you ask the agent to find someone who would pay upfront?
    The people who 'front' such farms are of course well dressed, have impeccable (fake) references and cash upfront. They are not of course the people who actually tend the farm.
    Originally posted by macman
    Any money business has been handled by family and solicitor, accountant (don't hear much from him these days) and I don't think would be categorised as employment in the sense you are referring to. I have never filed any kind of return myself but someone may have done this in the past on my behalf if it was necessary. However I have made an appointment to speak with the accountant next week.

    I did not specifically ask for tenants who could pay upfront, thinking back I remember there was some reason why they did this, but I really can't remember exactly now.

    I may be easy to lead on with silly comments but I don't understand why you are saying the only way someone could get their hands on cash upfront is by running a cannabis farm of all things. If he does work at his bank (investment bank) I would have thought he could earn several times the yearly rent in his annual bonus. I also really don't think my property would lend itself to such a venture, why would someone bother spending a lot of money on a smart place with antique furnishings if all they wanted to do was grow plants?? The orangery is shared with other flats and has nothing strange in it, I do think you are trying to wind me up.
    • higgledypiggledy_pop
    • By higgledypiggledy_pop 14th Jul 17, 6:56 PM
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    I don't know whether or not there's a dog there; that's not my point.
    You seem to be saying that they have told you there is a dog that exists somewhere (dogs do exist; this is widely accepted by scientists) but they don't own it and it isn't in your house. So what, exactly, has she admitted to you? That her cousin has a dog? What?
    Originally posted by ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    That she had the dog in the flat at the time. That it would be on its way away shortly (not true)
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