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    • Sam_Brown
    • By Sam_Brown 15th Jun 17, 7:08 PM
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    NPM - Is there any point of appealing?
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    • 15th Jun 17, 7:08 PM
    NPM - Is there any point of appealing? 15th Jun 17 at 7:08 PM
    I'll try and keep this brief because I know a lot of the topics on here are very similar.

    The block of flats my girlfriend lives at is controlled by NPM and they have only recently taken over. There are signs around the area and on the roads near the car parks. I've been hit with three tickets in the last week as apparently the signs also now refer to the road outside and not just the car parks. I find the signs very confusing and misleading because:

    1) It refers to "this site" which to me is confusing because I initially thought it was referring to the car park of the blocks of flats only.

    2) It states that you must park within the bays which obviously doesn't apply on the main road where there are no bays.


    I got hit for parking there on the 4th and 8th. The letters turned up a few days later and I'd been spotted on the 8th before I'd received the letter for the fine on the 4th so it was a nice double whammy!!! I was annoyed and have appealed using the standard IPC letter template.

    The next time I parked there I used the visitors permit from my girlfriend's car (we left her cat at mine that day) but imagine my horror when I got hit again today despite having the permit on display!!! In the PCN you can even just about make out the permit on display in the window!!!!!!! How the hell can you win when even when the permit is on display they still feel they can fine you.

    I ask because at this point the difference with the fines between paying up front or waiting until I hear back from the appeal is now going to be 120 quid (300 quid vs180). I feel at this point I need to pay because I can't risk needing to find 300 quid later on. But I also hate myself for feeling this way because I'm so annoyed at getting what I feel is an unfair string of fines (especially the fine when I had the permit up!!!).

    On the other hand looking to get married soon and buy a property and I really can't do with my credit rating taking a hit or having to drag this out through the courts for months and years with everything else going on.

    Advice? Is it worth appealing and will I get away with not having to pay? Or is appealing and playing the long game a bit of a risk where I could end up losing more money in the long term? I'd love to hear opinions on this.

    Cheers all
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    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 15th Jun 17, 7:23 PM
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    The Deep
    • #2
    • 15th Jun 17, 7:23 PM
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    • 15th Jun 17, 7:23 PM
    There is always a point in appealing. They may not have proper authorities, their paperwork may be deficient, they may be unlawfully trying to impinge on leaseholders rights.

    You have obviously not read the stickies, most residential PCNs are a scam, and, if they get to court, the PPC usually loses.

    Read the stickies and some of the residential threads.

    Have you
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 15th Jun 17, 7:41 PM
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    • 15th Jun 17, 7:41 PM
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    • 15th Jun 17, 7:41 PM
    These aren't fines and you won't get your credit record spoilt over this unless you ignore any ccj or don't pay any within 30 days of getting the ccj.

    Read up in the newbies FAQ thread near the top of the forum on how to deal with the game you have been caught up in
    • scrib2074
    • By scrib2074 15th Jun 17, 8:03 PM
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    • 15th Jun 17, 8:03 PM
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    • 15th Jun 17, 8:03 PM
    I can go one better as I have 4 PCNs from these scammers. Like you I had to wait for them to be posted so collected 3 more for the same "offence" before I even knew there was a problem. They also patrol rather than control the carpark of the block of flats I live in. My "offence" was also permit related.

    I appealed the latter three PCNs using the template for IPC firms on this website. Predictably all three appeals were refused and they answered none of the questions. So appeal to show you are engaging with the process, don't expect them to allow any appeal. I will not be appealing to the IAS as I've read here that's a waste of time.

    NPM are ex clampers and scammers. Their manager has overseen a string of failing/failed businesses. Wait long enough and this business may too go bung. Paying them will not help that happen.

    I will not be paying them a penny unless they manage to convince a judge I should. I absolutely deny I owe them anything. I've got 100 more to lose than you and I'm not even considering paying. Hope that helps.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 15th Jun 17, 8:59 PM
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    • 15th Jun 17, 8:59 PM
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    • 15th Jun 17, 8:59 PM
    I feel at this point I need to pay
    No, no, no, no, no!

    Why do you think you either have to pay 100 or 60? We pay NOTHING, beating PCNs like this every day and helping all posters win pretty much EVERY small claim defence. People here do not pay these shyster firms a penny!

    Look how tiny this pathetic firm are, a minuscule number of PCNs issued per annum and no court claims this year at all (and did I say, people here win them?!): tonshire_Parking_Management.html

    NPM - Is there any point of appealing?
    Yes, or just ignore them and sit it out, laughing at the debt letters we've all laughed at for a decade! Listen, this is not you ''getting away with'' something - they try to do that! Don't be a victim. I would just ignore them at the moment as you are too busy to engage with the idiots.

    I really can't do with my credit rating taking a hit
    Same for all posters here. No-one gets a CCJ, as long as you don't ignore court papers (highly unlikely with NPM) and also, make sure you tell them your new address in writing, if you move house within 6 years.

    This is nothing, get on with your life. Nothing wrong with ignoring them from the start, as they are an IPC member. Try not to collect more PCNs though, as LOADs of PCNs would single you out. Use blu-tack to secure any permit.
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 15-06-2017 at 9:01 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

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