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Work as contractor - under umbrella company or limited company

Hi,
I have been offered a temporary work as contractor for NHS through some agency.
The agency have told me that I have two options.
Work under umbrella company which is less profitable, because they charge me for their service OR set up a limited company and get money this way (by sending them weekly invoices for my work)
In the meantime I have realized that there is something like self-employment.
Why have they not mentioned about this but limited company instead?

Please advise
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  • bluedrop
    bluedrop Posts: 662 Forumite
    how long is your contract for and what are your future plans?

    Is this a one off thing or do you plan to continue taking contracts for the foreseeable future?

    It depends on a lot of factors.
    There is more to life than increasing its speed.
  • Pennywise
    Pennywise Posts: 13,468 Forumite
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    You'll never be offered sole trader/self employment through an agency due to the rules/laws which make the agency liable for your tax/NIC.

    If you're in it for the long term, are you aware of the new rules re public sector contracting coming in next April? Basically, the NHS will deduct tax and NIC as if you were their employee if you're basically doing a similar job in a similar way to their direct employees. So you may only have 6-9 months of the benefits of being either a limited or umbrella anyway.

    Umbrella is the way if it's short term and you can't be bothered with learning/understanding how to operate your own limited company and want someone else to deal with the rules etc. A limited is the way if you're in it for the long term and are willing to learn/abide by the laws/rules. Costs are about the same for both. Tax advantages are higher with your own limited.

    But if you're going limited, get a good accountant - too many traps and pitfalls for the unwary.
  • paddyrg
    paddyrg Posts: 13,543 Forumite
    The benefits of running your own Ltd company are negligible these days - you'll pay the same amount of tax with more responsibility, and the modest NI saving could easily be offset by the accountancy fees of around a grand a year.
  • Pennywise
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    paddyrg wrote: »
    The benefits of running your own Ltd company are negligible these days - you'll pay the same amount of tax with more responsibility, and the modest NI saving could easily be offset by the accountancy fees of around a grand a year.

    Umbrella's can also easily cost several hundred pounds per year.

    Benefits of Limited:-

    Tax relief on travel & subsistence
    Tax relief on equipment and general business overheads
    VAT flat rate scheme profits

    Only 7.5% tax on dividends as opposed to ~25% employers and employees NIC.

    Tax relief on the grand or so accountancy fees (that you don't get relief for with an umbrella).

    Can still easily be a couple of thousand pounds benefit over and above accountancy fees but only if you're in it for the long term.
  • JohnBravo
    JohnBravo Posts: 274 Forumite
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    Hi All,
    Thank you very much for your input.
    This is going to be 3-4 months contract.
    I would consider looking for a new contract before the end of this one.
    I have spoken to couple of people that are on the same trolley as me and they use LTD for contract work as umbrellas take off at least £120 for themselves each month.
    I think I will give LTD a try.
  • coffeehound
    coffeehound Posts: 5,741 Forumite
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    Pennywise wrote: »
    Umbrella's can also easily cost several hundred pounds per year.

    Benefits of Limited:-

    Tax relief on travel & subsistence
    Tax relief on equipment and general business overheads
    VAT flat rate scheme profits

    I believe one can also offset expenses against tax with an Umbrella.
  • paddyrg
    paddyrg Posts: 13,543 Forumite
    £120 sounds high, http://hamiltonbradbury.co.uk/umbrella-company/ are £68/month, for instance. Considering your year-end accounting for a limited company is going to come in around a grand (plus taxes owed, of course), the savings might not be as great as you think, especially once you insure the company. I'm not trying to put you off, just want make sure you go in with your eyes open and don't find at the year end that you've not provisioned for a chunk of cost.
  • Aquamania
    Aquamania Posts: 2,112 Forumite
    paddyrg wrote: »
    £120 sounds high, http://hamiltonbradbury.co.uk/umbrella-company/ are £68/month, for instance. Considering your year-end accounting for a limited company is going to come in around a grand (plus taxes owed, of course), the savings might not be as great as you think, especially once you insure the company. I'm not trying to put you off, just want make sure you go in with your eyes open and don't find at the year end that you've not provisioned for a chunk of cost.

    Yes I agree, £120 per month sounds very expensive (unless that includes tax & NI deducted)

    With regards to accountants fees, I would also say £1k for year end accounts of a simple one man band operation is also expensive but that depends on what you ask the accountant to do, and how easy you make it for the accountant e.g by giving them the data in the format they require. So best to ask at the start of the year.

    Whatever the cost, if the accountant is not saving you their fee and some, then find another accountant ... or do it yourself - it's not rocket science. :)
  • Pennywise
    Pennywise Posts: 13,468 Forumite
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    For just 3/4 months, a ltd isn't worth it. You won't just be paying 3/4 months of accountancy fees, it'll still be somewhere near a year's worth as the time taken to prepare/submit a year's accounts/returns is virtually the same as 3/4 months, and there's still all the setting up and closing down time. Unless you're as certain as possible you'll carry on after 3/4 months, go the umbrella route.
  • Pennywise
    Pennywise Posts: 13,468 Forumite
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    I believe one can also offset expenses against tax with an Umbrella.

    Yes, but a much narrower range of expenses, and in many cases, none at all. Having your own limited gives you a much broader range of expenses to reclaim, such as accountancy fees, equipment, office costs, telephone, etc.

    HMRC are also changing the rules re travel/subsistence so whilst you can still usually claim for via a limited, you can't via umbrella.
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