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Community Support Officer Parking offence

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ranjitnarula
ranjitnarula Posts: 18 Forumite
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I went to receive my son from Heathrow T5 today. As with all passenger, I picked him from departures where he was ready and waiting for me. I stopped my car so that he could put in his luggage in the boot. A Community Support Officer appeared and said he would need to issue me with a parking ticket. I argued with him that my son was there and said he could send it to me by post since I found it ridiculous.

My question is:

- Can a community support officer issue a parking ticket in such a circumstance?
- I also recall reading that a parking ticket needs to be issued to a driver for it to be valid and cannot be sent by post

The CSO did not take any photographs.

I just drove off afer my son sat in the car

Can someone please advice me if I can expect a notice or was it an empty threat?

Thanks for the help

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  • taffy056
    taffy056 Posts: 4,895 Forumite
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    Not sure on that, but if they issue a fixed penalty notice (FPN), I would pay it as the only appeal is through the magistrates court. If its penalty charge notice you can appeal it with help. And if it's a private parking ticket just ignore it
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    Do you really need to ask what kind of people run parking companies?
  • pogofish
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    This interests me because the last week has turned up stories of CSOs being active in support of a new parking/private road ticketing scheme at the main hospital here.

    I'm going to be up there for work tomorrow and I'll have a camera to see what's what.
  • muckybutt
    muckybutt Posts: 3,761 Forumite
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    The PCSO's around my neck of the woods all issue FPN's for parking offences - even though we have just gone decrim parking they still like to issue their nice pieces of paper.

    Echo what Taffy says though if its a FPN you get through in the post its eat humble pie and pay it - unless you want to try and convince a magistrate you were right and the wannabe was wrong.
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  • nearlyrich
    nearlyrich Posts: 13,698 Forumite
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    They are cracking down around Heathrow at the moment. a colleague dropped another off where we have dropped people off for years the other day and he got told to move on or face a fine...
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  • Kite2010
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    Cracking down at Heathrow, you don't want all the Olympic big-wigs getting caught up in a queue now.
  • LincolnshireYokel
    LincolnshireYokel Posts: 764 Forumite
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    [FONT=Georgia,Tahoma,]PCSO POWERS SCHEDULE[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Tahoma,] The powers of PCSOs are set out in Part 1 of Schedule 4 to the PRA. [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Tahoma,] PCSOs must be on duty and wearing the correct uniform to exercise their powers. With the exception of the power of directing traffic to escort abnormal loads, PCSO powers can only be exercised in the force area of the designating Chief Officer. [/FONT]

    1. [FONT=Arial,Tahoma,] Issue Fixed Penalty Notices (FPNs) for offences of disorder[/FONT]
    2. [FONT=Arial,Tahoma,] Detain for up to 30 minutes suspects who fail to give details[/FONT]
    3. [FONT=Arial,Tahoma,] Use reasonable force to detain as at 2[/FONT]
    4. [FONT=Arial,Tahoma,] Impose requirements and dispose of alcohol consumed in designated public places[/FONT]
    5. [FONT=Arial,Tahoma,] Enter any premises to save life and limb or prevent serious damage to property[/FONT]
    6. [FONT=Arial,Tahoma,] Carry out PACE road checks and stop vehicles to do so[/FONT]
    7. [FONT=Arial,Tahoma,] Stop and search vehicles & belongings in areas authorised under the Terrorism Act 2000.[/FONT]
    8. [FONT=Arial,Tahoma,] Seize vehicles used to cause alarm etc.[/FONT]
    9. [FONT=Arial,Tahoma,] Issue Fixed Penalty Notices for offences of cycling on footways, dog fouling, litter[/FONT]
    10. [FONT=Arial,Tahoma,] Require name and address from suspects[/FONT]
    11. [FONT=Arial,Tahoma,] Require name and address from person acting in anti-social manner[/FONT]
    12. [FONT=Arial,Tahoma,] Confiscate and dispose of alcohol from young persons[/FONT]
    13. [FONT=Arial,Tahoma,] Seize and dispose of tobacco from young persons[/FONT]
    14. [FONT=Arial,Tahoma,] Authorise removal of abandoned vehicles[/FONT]
    15. [FONT=Arial,Tahoma,] Stop vehicles for testing[/FONT]
    16. [FONT=Arial,Tahoma,] Make traffic directions for abnormal vehicles.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Tahoma,]Basic Powers [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial,Tahoma,] The powers (2 and 3) to detain a person for a limited period, and to use reasonable force to do so, were piloted for the first two years (2002 - 2004) in six forces (Devon & Cornwall, Gwent, Lancashire, Metropolitan, Northamptonshire, West Yorkshire). Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary made a specific evaluation of those powers.

    [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Tahoma,]PCSOs directing traffic/ issuing HO/RT/1s by GlynB
    A Chief Constable may designate suitable members of staff to be PCSOs. In effect this means one may be recruited to be a PCSO or may already hold some other post such as Traffic Warden and be designated as PCSO with whatever powers (as defined in the Police Reform Act) the Chief Constable (Commissioner) may determine.
    In reality many forces have recruited PCSOs and given them Traffic Warden Powers. Such powers are contained within the Functions of Traffic Wardens Order 1970 and its amendments. These powers include the direction of traffic including pedestrians, the enforcement of street parking restrictions (except where these have been decriminalised), breaches of the lighting regulations, vehicle tax offences and unnecessary obstruction under the construction and use regulations.
    The power to issue a HORT/1 is dependent on one of the endorsable offences for which a Traffic Warden has the power to deal being detected. These are leaving a vehicle at rest within the confines of a pedestrian crossing (zebra, pelican etc.) or the crossing controlled area and leaving a vehicle in a dangerous position. In such cases the driver must produce a driving licence. A HORT/1 can thus be issued to cause the production. However there is no power to require other documents to be produced.
    A Traffic Warden acting under the direction of and in company with a constable can, with the authority of the Chief Officer, require other productuons and deal with other offences in respect of certain moving traffic. However this is a difficult section of the order to understand and I am not aware of this being used.
    The Home Office determination on Traffic Warden Uniform requires that a Traffic Warden who is also a PCSO will wear the PCSO uniform of their force and must have on each shoulder and on the breast the word "Traffic" in addition to any other titles and numbers. There is no definition of the size or colour of the lettering.
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    Lots more here
    http://www.policecommunitysupportofficer.com/phpBB2/powers.php
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  • Kite2010
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    They've probably been given new powers in one of the many laws passed in the run-up to the Lloyds games
  • vax2002
    vax2002 Posts: 7,187 Forumite
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    Wait to see what arrives, picking up passengers is a valid appeal against most PCN charges.
    However how sure are you it was a PCSO, they do have fake APOCA wardens badged up to look like them.
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  • muckybutt
    muckybutt Posts: 3,761 Forumite
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    A PCSO in uniform also has the same powers as a police officer in his own force area under sec 99 RTA to require removal of vehicles that are causing a danger or obstruction, or are parked in contravention of a restriction or prohibition.
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