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Prudential with profits:

srcandas
srcandas Posts: 1,241 Forumite
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I quote:

"2011 was another good year for our with profits Fund, which builds on the strong returns achieved in 2010".

My pot 31/12/2009 Benefit £33,767.20 existing bonus £27,490.10 new declared bonus £382.38 Total = £61,639.68
My pot 31/12/2011 Benefit £33,767.20 existing bonus £28,258.46 new declared bonus £389.32 Total = £62,414.98

Paid in £1616

So a good couple of years amounts to a loss of £840.70

Am I glad they didn't have a bad couple of years :rotfl:
I believe past performance is a good guide to future performance :beer:
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  • Dick_here
    Dick_here Posts: 1,605 Forumite
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    srcandas wrote: »
    My pot 31/12/2012...

    And tonight's lottery numbers please ?
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  • srcandas
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    edited 14 July 2012 at 2:23PM
    And tonight's lottery numbers please ?

    I can only guarantee that they are all greater than the number of financial experts employed by the Pru :)

    Sorry due to a tipo I had halved the loss - now correct :j

    Can I sue my career adviser from school? He failed to tell me you could work for the Pru. When you took days off results got better. You got a big salary. And no matter how much you screwed up no one gives a t*ss :cool:
    I believe past performance is a good guide to future performance :beer:
  • dunstonh
    dunstonh Posts: 119,853 Forumite
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    YOu dont appear to be including the final bonus accrued in that period
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  • srcandas
    srcandas Posts: 1,241 Forumite
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    dunstonh wrote: »
    YOu dont appear to be including the final bonus accrued in that period

    Now brace yourself Dunston, I had to:

    It was quoted as high as £10000 within the last 2 years but incredible now I have mentioned buying an Annuity it seems to have shrunk to £5000.

    As My Farage would say "You couldn't make it up" :D

    Of course they recently sent me an estimate of the final amount £68000. When I called and said the documents referred on some pages to both my polices and on others to one they said they didn't know but could look it up on their computers. Then they comfirmed they couldn't (which happened when I asked for the previous valuation). So now I wait 6 days.

    Well to be fair 6 days is nothing when you think I have only just received the 31/12/11 valuation.

    Now if I was suspicious I could think a sudden withdrawal of computer facilities and my crystalisation being close and an unexplained massive drop in value might be connected ;)
    I believe past performance is a good guide to future performance :beer:
  • chris1
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    So is now a good time to ask you all what you think of the Pru With Profits fund? :eek:

    Actually I'm not joking. My friend in the Pru ex-Scottish Amicable fund (4% guaranteed fund growth) has to decide now whether to sign up for another 3 years or take the money (45% terminal bonus, not guaranteed) and run.

    What do you think?
  • srcandas
    srcandas Posts: 1,241 Forumite
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    chris1 wrote: »
    So is now a good time to ask you all what you think of the Pru With Profits fund? :eek:

    Actually I'm not joking. My friend in the Pru ex-Scottish Amicable fund (4% guaranteed fund growth) has to decide now whether to sign up for another 3 years or take the money (45% terminal bonus, not guaranteed) and run.

    What do you think?


    Well let me think a while ............................ RUN. Luckily this is not my only pension and not my biggest (well with such massive losses how could it be!!! :D).

    If the valuations get lower the minute exit is mentioned please do let me know. :beer:
    I believe past performance is a good guide to future performance :beer:
  • chris1
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    edited 15 July 2012 at 1:27PM
    srcandas wrote: »
    It was quoted as high as £10000 within the last 2 years but incredible now I have mentioned buying an Annuity it seems to have shrunk to £5000.
    Do you have a GAR on this policy? Don't think they'll be keen to pay you any final bonus if you do.

    The one I mentioned does not have a GAR, so leave or transfer are the options.
    Actually I'm not joking. My friend in the Pru ex-Scottish Amicable fund (4% guaranteed fund growth) has to decide now whether to sign up for another 3 years or take the money (45% terminal bonus, not guaranteed) and run.

    What do you think?
  • chris1 wrote: »
    Do you have a GAR on this policy? .

    GAR: (noun) members of the Lepisosteidae, a family including seven living species of fish in two genera that inhabit fresh, brackish, and occasionally marine, waters of eastern North America.?

    For the love of Riley cut the JARGON!
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  • magpiecottage
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    It is the way With Profits funds work.

    You were guaranteed £33,767.20 on maturity (provided premiums continued to be paid) as soon as you paid your first premium (which I would guess is £200 pre-tax). That is not simply given to you - the premiums you pay will build the pot up. The bonuses are, in effect, the amount of growth over and above that needed to build up the £33,767.20.
  • srcandas
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    It is the way With Profits funds work.

    You were guaranteed £33,767.20 on maturity (provided premiums continued to be paid) as soon as you paid your first premium (which I would guess is £200 pre-tax). That is not simply given to you - the premiums you pay will build the pot up. The bonuses are, in effect, the amount of growth over and above that needed to build up the £33,767.20.

    Ah I see. So you are saying it is designed to report good growth early on and then that in the years before retirement it should lose value as they recover the cost of the guarantee?

    And that if I let it run after I am 60 it will start to grow in value or will it simply continue to lose value?
    I believe past performance is a good guide to future performance :beer:
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