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Pensioner in heavy debt - what action?

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Hi,
Going to see my Father this weekend as he has got himself in a bit of a state.
Situation is:-
Lives in Housing Association flat, no car, no assets, in his eighties
Pension is state + armed forces - about 13K PA total
Debts are about 20K made up of overdraft and two maxed out credit cards.
He has been using one card to pay off the other and has now run out of credit and can no longer afford the monthly repayments. I've been helping him with some day to day living expenses but can't do more than that.
Should he stop paying the cards and wait for them to bankrupt him, or declare himself bankrupt, or go for an IVA, or try for an informal arrangement with the card companies?
He is very old school and would see bankruptcy as a huge stigma. It's bad enough getting him to admit he has debts!
Any advice appreciated so I can try and advise when I go and see him.
Going to see my Father this weekend as he has got himself in a bit of a state.
Situation is:-
Lives in Housing Association flat, no car, no assets, in his eighties
Pension is state + armed forces - about 13K PA total
Debts are about 20K made up of overdraft and two maxed out credit cards.
He has been using one card to pay off the other and has now run out of credit and can no longer afford the monthly repayments. I've been helping him with some day to day living expenses but can't do more than that.
Should he stop paying the cards and wait for them to bankrupt him, or declare himself bankrupt, or go for an IVA, or try for an informal arrangement with the card companies?
He is very old school and would see bankruptcy as a huge stigma. It's bad enough getting him to admit he has debts!
Any advice appreciated so I can try and advise when I go and see him.
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I would offer token payments of £5 per month to each creditor.
Are these very old debts?
Make sure is pension is paid into an account at a bank he doesn't owe money to before you do this.Mama read so much about the dangers of drinking alcohol and eating chocolate that she immediately gave up reading.0 -
I would offer token payments of £5 per month to each creditor.
Are these very old debts?
Make sure is pension is paid into an account at a bank he doesn't owe money to before you do this.
Interesting plan - but what are the chances of it working in your opinion?
He only has one bank account which has the overdraft. All his pensions go in there and he has direct debits for the rent and some utility bills.
Do you think he would be able to open another bank account with a different bank with his credit problems?Do Money Saving sites make you buy more bargains - and spend more money?0 -
Hi
first of all I think you need to seek help from one of the debt charities (from my experience I found National Debtline and CAB brilliant)
http://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/index/getadvice.htm
http://www.nationaldebtline.co.uk/
http://www.cccs.co.uk/
Also please don’t forget to read the essential information in the sticky by Fermi.
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/...html?t=1056083
It may be an idea to make an appointment with CAB and you go with him. I know when I went to see CAB they were willing to write the letters for me to various creditors and it may take some stress off of you and your dad.
So sorry to hear of your dad's sitation and I am sure someone will be along soon with some more advice. Keep asking as many questions as you need to.
LLThe worst cliques are those which consist of one man ~ George Bernard Shaw
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o sorry one more thing I might add, when either you or someone else writes these letters I would add that you only would want communication via letter as I can imagine your dad would get very stressed if he suddenly got lots of calls about this debt
LLThe worst cliques are those which consist of one man ~ George Bernard Shaw
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Thanks Sunnylooloo,
I see the cccs site had an online tool which I'll go through with him to see what it says - he's not online in any way but I can show it to him.
Good idea about a CAB type appointment - I'll see if his local one can do that and if they open at the weekend when I can see him.
Edit - Pah, they don't do weekends :-(Do Money Saving sites make you buy more bargains - and spend more money?0 -
No I think I had to go during the week, maybe if in the first instance you can call them as many give advice over the phone?
National Debline is good as they will send you out a pack which has all the templates for letters if he is not online?
Has he been keeping his bills up to date until now (robbing peter to pay paul) and is the first month he can't pay?
What I did, was do and Income and Expenditure sheet with National Debtline, then sent that with letters offering reduced payments. Each of them put me on a short term agreement (obv ruins your credit history but quite frankly I knew I had to do it), some froze interest and refunded charges. The impression I got they would rather accept something than nothing. I have to review it every 6 months or so.
However it would seem that your dad is really struggling (so unfair!) so not sure if you could together work out what he can pay? CCCS will also be able to go through all this with you.
There is lots of help out there, dont just think you have to muddle through on your own. I've been in tears to National Debtline and at the CAB office, but rather than getting judged I got great help and am coping.
Does he have a basic account? if not it may help to get him a basic account with co-op or Barclays to get his pension paid into and help him work out a budget, and with those accounts he can't go over drawn.
You need to pay make sure things like his council tax and utilities are up to date and that of course he had enough to mangage each month for food and clothing.
I hope this helps in someway - but there are some more people around who have much more knowledge than me that can advise some more.
Just keep asking as much as you need and we'll always try and help
LLThe worst cliques are those which consist of one man ~ George Bernard Shaw
Holiday Saving fund 2010 = £25.00WeightLoss 2010 = +6lbs
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Hm, I am starting to like the idea of:-
1) Work out with him exactly what his oncome and outgoings excluding debts are. After allowing a bit for unexpected stuff, this will give what he can repay, if anything.
2) Open a Basic Bank account for pension in and rent / utilities out
3) Write to bank and both CC companies with a suggested payment arrangement.
I'll do some more research and speak to one of the helplines but what do you think?
Worse case is they say no, and the bank demand the overdraft back - but the new bank account will sort that?Do Money Saving sites make you buy more bargains - and spend more money?0 -
Hi that sounds like a really good starting point.
I know he will probably be a bit embarrassed but you need him to tell you the whole truth about what he owes so you can get it all sorted out
There is a statement of affairs caluculator on here which maybe of help?
http://www.makesenseofcards.co.uk/soacalc.html
you can with that also post on here when you have his figures to see if anyone can help out and see where he can cut down - and also will coment on what is allowed if you do decide that BR maybe the only route. (I know this is a nightmare for him as you have said he is old school)
I think the new bank account will be a way forward and also (maybe stating the obvious) but cut up any of those credit/debit cards from his old accounts.
I found the first month when I stopped paying, it gave me the money to sort things out - however just to warn you phone calls and letters did come rollling in - you just have to ignore them, and then once my arrangements were in place they have all stopped.
It sounds like you have got your head round this for him and I think you should be able to come up some reasonable solution for him so he can realax in his twilight years.
As I have said I'm not an expert and someone else may have some other advice to offer, I can only speak from my own situation.
LLThe worst cliques are those which consist of one man ~ George Bernard Shaw
Holiday Saving fund 2010 = £25.00WeightLoss 2010 = +6lbs
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Just a thought...
Is your dad claiming everything he's entitled to/ for example, does he have any health/ care issues that might entitle him to claim Attendance Allowance? Or is there any chance he may be entitled to claim any element of Pension Credit? This might "jump" him into entitlement to some Council Tax benefit or Housing Benefit. (I realise you say in your first post he has an occupational pension but the welfare benefit rules are so complex it's often worth someone with professional knowledge checking.
His local Age Concern should have a Welfare Benefits officer and be able to do a benefits check and income maximising for him. They should also have an advocacy service who might be able to help with contacting creditors and persuading then to take token payments.
Age Concern would also know of any local organisations and charities that might be able to help him with any expenses while he sorts his situation out: eg, small grant if the cooker or washing machine or boiler breaks down etc.
I realisie none of this will be very popular with your Dad, i am thinking of my own 86 year old Dad as I write this! However I have worked in social care for 20+ years and if it helps your Dad at all to know this I have seen many many elderly people in this same situation0
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