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    • jobbingmusician
    • By jobbingmusician 15th Jan 06, 2:11 PM
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    DON'T use Calgon!
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    • 15th Jan 06, 2:11 PM
    DON'T use Calgon! 15th Jan 06 at 2:11 PM
    I thought I'd post this, as they are running a big TV advertising campaign in London atm and OH gets annoyed every time they show it.

    The advert shows a washing machine with its heating element totally furred up and destroyed by water deposits.

    According to OH, who was trained by one of the biggest washing machine firms and knows all about the guts, all washing powders contain water softeners. Furring up of elements like this, and of other parts of the machine, is caused by not using enough washing powder.

    It's very important to use the amount of w/powder specified (which I never used to do) to keep your machine running sweetly. If you do this you do NOT need additives such as Calgon. And it's a lot cheaper to be 'lavish' with your powder than to pay for repairs or even to pay for Calgon
    Last edited by jobbingmusician; 15-01-2006 at 2:13 PM. Reason: Unbelievably, got the product name wrong in the title! Brain failure...
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  • mattt44
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    • 15th Jan 06, 3:00 PM
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    • 15th Jan 06, 3:00 PM
    Interesting, that goes against the ideas being put about on the Old Time threads about using less powder.
    Using vinegar is supposed to cut down on scale build up. But if thats a bit with every wash, or one load every few weeks, I'm not sure.
    Also some people use soda crystals with their powder as well, I wonder how that affects it?

    Whats the water softeners in powders, I'm guessing salt of some kind and do the cheap powders have as much in them as the more expensive ones?
    Mmmm
  • innovate
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    • 15th Jan 06, 3:36 PM
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    • 15th Jan 06, 3:36 PM
    I think the cheapest overall is to install a water softener - you definitely don't need any Calgon (or dishwasher salt) if you have one of those, and you can easily half the amount of 'recommended' washing powder (and soap, washing up liquid, shower gel etc). Plus it keeps your appliances, pipework and radiators from furring up, and there won't be any nasty limescale on taps etc.

    The upfront investment is several hundred pounds, the running costs are minor (water softener salt is cheap, and no maintenance should be required) but it definitely pays back. The local water companies can usually advise on the best softeners and installers (if you are good at DIY plumbing, you can also install it yourself).

    A water softener is also significantly more environmentally friendly than washing powder and calgon.
    • economiser
    • By economiser 15th Jan 06, 3:42 PM
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    • 15th Jan 06, 3:42 PM
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    • 15th Jan 06, 3:42 PM
    I would back the water softener approach. Stuggled for decades without one but now I wouldn't be without it. No limescale, no gunge and soap and detergent use less than half before. I have to say we do have very hard water though.
    • Lady_K
    • By Lady_K 15th Jan 06, 3:54 PM
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    • 15th Jan 06, 3:54 PM
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    • 15th Jan 06, 3:54 PM
    I dont think I can have a water softener can I with a combination boiler? Is this the same thing as a water filter?
    Thanx

    Lady_K
  • cuffie
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    • 15th Jan 06, 3:57 PM
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    • 15th Jan 06, 3:57 PM
    My lovely washing machine repairman said the same....Never use Calgon, and use 1kg of Soda Crystals every 6 months on hottest wash setting to keep it sweet!!
    • Lady_K
    • By Lady_K 15th Jan 06, 4:01 PM
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    • 15th Jan 06, 4:01 PM
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    • 15th Jan 06, 4:01 PM
    I think I'll try that with the soda crystals. Do you think it should be on half fill or full fill? I think I'll put it on at night when my economy 7 starts aswell if its for hottest setting to save a bit with the heating up
    Thanx

    Lady_K
  • cuffie
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    • 15th Jan 06, 4:20 PM
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    • 15th Jan 06, 4:20 PM
    Pass....I just bung it in and turn dial to setting B (which is 95 degree wash) and leave it to work its magic!!
    • economiser
    • By economiser 17th Jan 06, 7:34 PM
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    • #9
    • 17th Jan 06, 7:34 PM
    Water Softener
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    • 17th Jan 06, 7:34 PM
    I dont think I can have a water softener can I with a combination boiler? Is this the same thing as a water filter?
    by Lady_K
    A water softener is nothing to do with the heating system. Its fitted into the incoming cold water main. It is not the same thing as a water filter. It treats the water to remove the calcium and magnesium salts (fur) in hard water. You should leave a hard water connection to the kitchen sink for drinking purposes and I also did this for the connection for to the heating system in case it needs refilling at some time. Water softeners are not cheap but if you live in a hard water area they are a wonderful release from the chores of limescale and fur.
    • Rhino666
    • By Rhino666 19th Jan 06, 11:37 AM
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    Good post !!

    Calgon has to be a complete ripoff.
    How many washing machines expire because of limescale buildup ?
    From my experience it's the drum bearings and motors that kill washing machines.

    Calgon adverts are even more annoying than those patronising ones from the AA and Kwikfit. All three are very good at thoroughly misrepresenting the value of their products and services.
    Calgon - don't bother
    AA - found my insurance for a third less elsewhere. Their servicing is apparently poor value too and they quote one price and end up charging another much higher one.
    Kwikfit - got my MX-5 catalytic converter for less than half their quote. Same with VW Golf exhaust - even genuine VW parts were far cheaper.

    I guess the moral is to avoid products backed up by adverts that are patronising.
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  • RedOnRed
    Furring up of elements like this, and of other parts of the machine, is caused by not using enough washing powder
    by jobbingmusician
    I don't see how furring up of the element can be caused by lack of washing powder as there isn't any washing powder around the element is there?

    The element just heats up the water doesn't it?
    • Rhino666
    • By Rhino666 19th Jan 06, 2:19 PM
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    'The element just heats up the water doesn't it?'

    No, the element keeps the water in the machine together with powder, etc at a certain temperature. Softeners in the washing powder should protect the entire system.
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    • Pink.
    • By Pink. 19th Jan 06, 4:47 PM
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    Pink.
    Just in case any one is interested there's a recent Calgon thread on the Old Style board:
    Calgon, Limescale and Landfill

    Pink
    • Plasticman
    • By Plasticman 19th Jan 06, 6:08 PM
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    I know a couple of people who had allergic reactions after using Calgon in their washing machines (all together - "make your scrotum itch longer with Calgon....")
    • jobbingmusician
    • By jobbingmusician 19th Jan 06, 8:25 PM
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    Just in case any one is interested there's a recent Calgon thread on the Old Style board:
    Calgon, Limescale and Landfill

    Pink
    by Pink-winged
    How did I miss this!!!!
    • Soapy955
    • By Soapy955 25th May 07, 2:12 PM
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    I think I'll try that with the soda crystals. Do you think it should be on half fill or full fill? I think I'll put it on at night when my economy 7 starts aswell if its for hottest setting to save a bit with the heating up
    Originally posted by Lady_K
    I was advised by the fire brigade that you shouldn't leave washing machines running overnight or when no-one is home as if it were to have some kind of electrical fault it could cause a house fire. The fireman said that alot of fires he attends are due to a flooded washing machine and the electrics affected by the flood.
    • soolin
    • By soolin 25th May 07, 2:21 PM
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    Oh gosh, my machines on all the time when I'm out and overnight. I'm not home long enough to get all the loads done that I need to do on a daily basis so I set a timer for cheap rate electricity over night and then re fill it on my way out again in the morning.

    As for Calgon, I do get through my washing machines quickly but I've never had a reapir man tell me anything about furring even though here in east London we have very hard water. Usually I wear the carbon brushes, or on the newer machines the computer bit dies.
  • Inactive
    I was advised by the fire brigade that you shouldn't leave washing machines running overnight or when no-one is home as if it were to have some kind of electrical fault it could cause a house fire. The fireman said that alot of fires he attends are due to a flooded washing machine and the electrics affected by the flood.
    Originally posted by Soapy955

    So, do we all turn off our fridges then?

    I have never heard of a washing machine catching fire.:rolleyes:
    • newlywed
    • By newlywed 25th May 07, 2:32 PM
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    Our tumble dryer did catch fire. Our washing machine flooded the kitchen as the sensor to say it was full of water had broken so it just kept filling up.

    We were never allowed to leave anything on if we were out because of those two things (that both happened when we were in).

    DMP support thread (member #32)

    • Poppycat
    • By Poppycat 25th May 07, 2:32 PM
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    Our washing machines we have had last about 4-5 years and that's using 5-6 loads a week and using less than what the manufacturers of the powders recommend, so unless we don't have hard water then I don't see this a problem as I would expect given the age of the washing machines we have to only last about that times.

    The only problem we have every had touch wood, it with a Indesit having a too sensitive balance sensor, which despite having new sensors several times within weeks of each other, yet despite this the washing machine faulted, so engineer said it was a design fault and I never buy Indesit or shop at Comet again after that because of the agro.

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